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Title: Animated Marvels in Film
Post by: Grapefoot on 2016-08-17 17:34:03
Animated Marvels in Film

Let us see if we can compile a list of animated marvels in film (not television).  This can be any film of all time, whether it was popular or not.  It just had to be at theaters at one point or another.

Once we get a large list, maybe we can narrow it down and try to create a top 50 or top 10 best films. 

Even better yet, if you have clips at the moments in the films you consider marvelous, please share them. 
Title: Re: Animated Marvels in Film
Post by: Death Blossom on 2016-08-17 17:41:48
Wait so... Just films that we think are awesome? Like, movies we think were marvelous? If I'm interpreting right:

Well, I'd say at the top of my personal list (if claymation counts, which I feel it does) would be ParaNorman. Along with The Secret of NIMH, and The Land Before Time.

I'll get clips of moments I think are animated cinematic marvels. If I can find appropriate clips.
Title: Re: Animated Marvels in Film
Post by: Grapefoot on 2016-08-17 18:00:00
ParaNorman?  I have never even heard of that.  I would have to go look that one up. 

So completely from an animation standpoint, I think some of the great animation films are... (many more, but here are some I can think of)

Shrek (CGI)
Toy Story (CGI)
Mulan
Cat's Can't Dance
Lion King
Land Before Time
Nightmare Before Christmas (Stop Motion)
Howl's Moving Castle
Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs
The Iron Giant
The Incredibles (CGI)
Ratatouille (CGI)
101 Dalmations (1961)
Title: Re: Animated Marvels in Film
Post by: Grapefoot on 2016-08-17 18:30:41
Some wonderful animation sequences in here, all specifically chosen to showcase some animation for some of these lesser known films.

Howl's Moving Castle.  A beautiful mix of time periods and cultures in an almost Euro-centric style.  An amazing mix of anime and western styles blend to make this a truly fascinating film in style.

Cat's Don't Dance.  Some might say it is simple, but under appreciated for sure.  It is smooth mimicking cartoon styles from the 40s and 50s, sort of a art deco if you will.  It allows for very smooth transitions and exaggerated proportions at time, but it makes the characters even more alive.  Minimal use of lighting and shading, but it all works with these fun painted backgrounds.

Oliver and Company.  What makes this so unique is that it was one of the first movies to use early forms of CGI, and you will notice it done very smoothly on the cars.  While still hand drawn over the cars, you can tell they used 3D modeling in this 1980s film, and that is impressive.  Painted backgrounds and good smooth movement throughout.
Title: Re: Animated Marvels in Film
Post by: MasterXtreme on 2016-08-17 18:34:05
What makes hand drawn animation so amazing is that it is the ultimate expression of human emotion.  You see, with hand drawn animation, each movement is drawn by someone, and done for a reason.  Nothing goes unnoticed if split panel by panel.  It was all deliberate and done for a reason.  To evoke emotion in hand drawn cartoons, one has to oversell the expressions, make them exaggerated.  That is something computer generated cartoons do not have, as they are based on a 3D model and rigged to make certain movements and expressions.  In-between work is simply to move from point A to B using a computer, with no emotional thought into it.  Just movement.  Traditional animation, as you all know, is my personal favorite and the ultimate expression of emotion.  I will get some examples up.  Grapefoot, I enjoyed your fairly in-depth reasoning here as well for those three cases. 
Title: Re: Animated Marvels in Film
Post by: MasterXtreme on 2016-08-17 18:56:42
THE HUNCHBACK OF NOTRE DAME (SPOILERS)
I don't think I need to explain this too much, it should go without saying how emotional this entire scene is.  Look at the camera angles they choose and the design choices in the color and scenery.  Clearly this is an important climax to the film, a film which has so many animation masterpiece scenes, whether you enjoy the plot or not.  The hard angles, distorted backgrounds, the colors, everything is done with purpose, and it is fascinating.  The villain, Frollo, is a perfect tragic villain, doing what he thinks is right, but falling for the fails of man's sin, that he loses his original intentions and God's Will.  A marvel in animation. 

THE PRINCESS AND THE FROG (SPOILERS)
A more recent film that employs the use of computers helping animators give their hand drawn work the fullest of flash and color.  The desperation in these scene and lunacy.  This is the perfect scene for viewing the collapse of someone's power and how emotion in a characters face has so much power to the viewer.  Something as simple as loose hairs being out of place, extra lines under the eyes, wonderfully captures this character is losing their grasp on control.  Watch his face, watch something as simple as the chain around his neck and how it moves, there is so much to pay attention too, especially for the animators. The colors and again, distorted backgrounds are perfect for this hectic scene, and decline and defeat of a foe with a wonderful character design. 

THE PRINCE OF EGYPT

Before Dreamworks went to Shrek and CGI, they had some absolute gems such as the Prince of Egypt, the telling of Moses from Biblical times in a more Hollywood fashion.  This fascinating scene uses a mix of computer technology and hand drawn prowess to the fullest.  It is the parting of the Red Sea by God.  Look at the sheer amount of people in these scenes, and the clouds swirling above, then the climax of the sea's parting.  The water done to this level could never be done by hand drawn animators, and this is a positive that CGI can do for animators.  Watch part two of this animation marvel to see Pharaoh's army perish as the walls of the sea close upon him.  Some truly wonderful blending of artistry.

Title: Re: Animated Marvels in Film
Post by: MasterXtreme on 2016-08-17 19:11:53
BALTO

Drawing fur is tough enough, but animating it?  Wow, how about a labor intensive fight scene that spins all body angles in short time frames?  Balto is  an animation marvel, and this scene, as well as so many others, provide ample evidence for it.  What makes it so lovely is you can even partially interpret the line work in the characters faces and body movements.  I love it!  Give this small clip a go.


FOX AND THE HOUND

So many films feel they need to have music in intense scenes as beautifully choreographed as this one... but this film gets it.  It lets nature, the sound of the falls, the fighting, the biting, take center stage in this superbly animated scene.  Whole film is animated great, but check this amazing fight scene out.  The music simply compliments the overly loud falls.  You can feel the mist.  This film was also one of the earliest films I know to use minor use of a shaking camera during a fight scene.  If you find an earlier film, please notify me.


MULAN

The amount of action in these scene is crazy.  You got Hun's attacking in hundreds, look at all those bodies on screen, then you have a wild avalanche.  It is one of the first films to have CGI help with all the Hun's coming over that hill.  All the body styles are smooth and rounded with only subtle use of sharp edges, mainly from armor.  Textures are simple as are colors, but it is smooth and great to watch.  The complexity comes in different ways, by sheer number and action movement. Watch this for an animation trip, and it's done so smoothly in a Western style animation with Eastern flare. 

Title: Re: Animated Marvels in Film
Post by: Death Blossom on 2016-08-17 21:21:53
Does Anime count?

Oh my god, how could I forget Hunchback of Notre Dame! That's like, my favorite movie!
But yea, Grape, ParaNorman is an amazing movie. By the same people who made Coraline.
Title: Re: Animated Marvels in Film
Post by: Smiles2us on 2016-08-17 21:25:37
Does Anime count?

Oh my god, how could I forget Hunchback of Notre Dame! That's like, my favorite movie!
But yea, Grape, ParaNorman is an amazing movie. By the same people who made Coraline.

Totally, it's right in the first post and then some anime was already posted.  Anime movies... not tv movies. ;) 
Title: Re: Animated Marvels in Film
Post by: Grapefoot on 2016-08-17 21:27:19
Does Anime count?
But yea, Grape, ParaNorman is an amazing movie. By the same people who made Coraline.

I haven't seen Coraline either, but I want too.  I love animation. :)

Anime movies count.  Not anime such as tv anime.... that will be in a probably future topic I make about Animation Marvels in television. ;)  That was my original plan if this is popular.  I really want these topics to open up new things some of us may have never seen before. 
Title: Re: Animated Marvels in Film
Post by: Death Blossom on 2016-08-17 21:36:38
Coraline is also really good, but ParaNorman is an incredibly strong movie. With a good message. And an interesting take on bullying. It's not your typical message for it, but I feel it's pretty realistic. It seems Laika studios has taken a liking to making ugly character designs, as they did that with Box Trolls. But they're going back to prettier designs with Kubo.

And hm okay. Some people separate anime from western animation.

Another good movie, The Brave Little Toaster. I only watched it recently. It's pretty good.
Title: Re: Animated Marvels in Film
Post by: Smiles2us on 2016-08-17 21:38:52
Coraline is also really good, but ParaNorman is an incredibly strong movie. With a good message. And an interesting take on bullying. It's not your typical message for it, but I feel it's pretty realistic. It seems Laika studios has taken a liking to making ugly character designs, as they did that with Box Trolls. But they're going back to prettier designs with Kubo.

I never knew Laika is making Kubo.  That movie looks cute.  :)  But I am worried the vague trailers and tv ads won't interest enough people.  Box Trolls was a failure for them. 
Title: Re: Animated Marvels in Film
Post by: Grapefoot on 2016-08-17 21:40:54
No, this is for all animation. :)

Flash back!  The Brave Little Toaster!  Wow!  I remember that movie, but I personally wouldn't call it an animation marvel.  I liked the film, but the animation itself was nothing that special.  This topic is about animation, not the movie plots themselves. 
Title: Re: Animated Marvels in Film
Post by: Death Blossom on 2016-08-17 21:43:23
I thought it was kewl. Especially for their budget.

I wouldn't say Box Trolls was a failure. It was an alright movie. But it wasn't their best. It's easily their worst, but I wouldn't call it a failure. Just ugly. But it was funny at times.
Title: Re: Animated Marvels in Film
Post by: Grapefoot on 2016-08-17 21:48:20
I haven't seen Box Trolls to know if it was an animation marvel.  A bad movie can still be animated amazingly.  I know it is a ton of work for them to do that.  Ridiculous amounts of hours.
Title: Re: Animated Marvels in Film
Post by: Death Blossom on 2016-08-17 21:53:28
It's not really marvelous. They don't really have any stand out scenes in it like Coraline or ParaNorman. It was average. Simple.
Title: Re: Animated Marvels in Film
Post by: Smiles2us on 2016-08-17 21:54:30
A movie that might have amazing animation in a totally unique style is "The Book of Life."  Latin in flavor and design.
Title: Re: Animated Marvels in Film
Post by: Grapefoot on 2016-08-17 22:01:04
A movie that might have amazing animation in a totally unique style is "The Book of Life."  Latin in flavor and design.

Have not seen that either.  It didn't appeal to me, it looked too busy, but I am sure the animation is unique.  I enjoyed MasterX's little break down of the films he posted.  I can totally see where he is coming from, and I would listen more to what he says then my novice reasoning.  He actually draws. 
Title: Re: Animated Marvels in Film
Post by: Death Blossom on 2016-08-17 22:04:29
I watched that movie. I... Personally hated the style. Also, what was with the random pop music in the middle of a Latin style movie? I also felt it was incredibly cliche. Though I did love La Muerte and the gray dudes design. Totally reminded me of Discord. I will say though, there is one VERY beautiful scene in the movie. Won't give spoilers, but it's near the end. And it involves a song that wasn't pop-y. Very touching scene, I felt.
Title: Re: Animated Marvels in Film
Post by: Smiles2us on 2016-08-17 22:05:41
I watched that movie. I... Personally hated the style. Also, what was with the random pop music in the middle of a Latin style movie? I also felt it was incredibly cliche. Though I did love La Muerte and the gray dudes design. Totally reminded me of Discord. I will say though, there is one VERY beautiful scene in the movie. Won't give spoilers, but it's near the end. And it involves a song that wasn't pop-y. Very touching scene, I felt.

I don't plan on watching it.  Maybe I will see if I can find it?  Any idea what the song was playing during that scene? 
Title: Re: Animated Marvels in Film
Post by: Death Blossom on 2016-08-17 22:09:59
I think it was an original song written for the movie. You should see it. My friends seemed to adore it. They liked the unique style, I just thought it was ugly. With the weird noses and pig noses. They just weirded me out haha.
Title: Re: Animated Marvels in Film
Post by: Grapefoot on 2016-08-17 22:12:59
I am watching bits of it... it's just too clustered and busy.  That guy who made the film has tried to bring many Latin trends to cartoons.  He did Mucha Lucha and El Tigre and stuff. 
Title: Re: Animated Marvels in Film
Post by: Death Blossom on 2016-08-17 22:16:34
Lol, what bits are to watching? Because there's like 3 moments it gets super busy and crazy.
Title: Re: Animated Marvels in Film
Post by: Grapefoot on 2016-08-17 22:17:34
I was just watching the bits in the trailer is all. 
Title: Re: Animated Marvels in Film
Post by: Death Blossom on 2016-08-17 22:19:08
Oh yeah, no yeah, the trailers are very crazy. I recommend just watching the movie.
Title: Re: Animated Marvels in Film
Post by: Smiles2us on 2016-08-17 22:20:54
My eyes hurt with all the crazy stuff going on in the trailer.  I decided to take a peek at it. 
Title: Animated Marvels in Film
Post by: NostradamusTheSeer on 2016-08-18 01:45:40
The BFG... an adaptation of one of Roald Dahl's perhaps lesser-known, but no less charming  works. Strong artwork, interesting characters, a good message about friendship and not judging by appearances, and a catchy musical number about ... flatulence.


Later on, The Queen of England seems to be a good sport about all this "whizpop" business.. though if a 22-foot tall fellow wishes to pass gas in front of you, there's not a damn sight much you can do to stop him, is there?....
Title: Re: Animated Marvels in Film
Post by: mysteryserpent on 2016-08-18 08:01:23
I know that these two movies are not the best in quality but the impact they had on animation as a whole is felt in a lot of homes. Christmas classics like Rudolph the Red Nosed rain deer and How the Grinch Stole Christmas were the movies I was thinking about.

Wallace and grumet is another movie that made a big impact with the style it uses.

The Simpsons movie is honestly one of the best movies based on a tv show cartoon.

Beauty and the Beast and Lion King were two of the best 2D drawn movies made by Disney that I can think of.

I love the movies that have been mentioned on this topic so far! The book of life I definitely do not think is one of the best. It is average to me but honestly I enjoyed it :) I had a very silly and very short sneeze story in my head just focusing on la muerte and the character very similar to Discord XD death teasing life's nose to win a bet 

Out of the listed movies already said are Balto, Prince of Egypt, and Hunchback of Notre Dame are in the top 50
Title: Re: Animated Marvels in Film
Post by: Darrin on 2016-08-18 09:50:54
Considering how old Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer is, it certainly deserves a mention in animation. It was all clay Mario i think and same for Wallace and Gromit.
Title: Re: Animated Marvels in Film
Post by: Death Blossom on 2016-08-18 09:54:10
Well, Rudlolph wasn't really marvelous in terms of animation. Sure it's old and was influential, but the animation it self was.... Eh?

Wallace and Gromit is awesome, but again, nothing really spectacular in terms in animation. Sure, animating clay is super hard and long. But it's simple. Compare to Coraline and ParaNorman, amazing claymation.
Title: Re: Animated Marvels in Film
Post by: MasterXtreme on 2016-08-18 11:34:50
So are we looking at influential or just... truly awesome animation?  If we do that, that will nix many older films, though certain ones would still be included like Fantasia or Snow White. 

The BFG...

Can't be counted because it was made for television and never in theaters.  I wouldn't call it an animation marvel either.  I remember watching it, weird, weird, weird. 
Title: Re: Animated Marvels in Film
Post by: MasterXtreme on 2016-08-18 12:10:29
Wall-E (spoilers)

Never has a CGI film evoked as much emotion as Wall-E.  I would even say no film has made a mechanical being have as much emotion as this film, not even the Iron Giant.  Pixar works magic with the limited facial features these robots have and gives them subtle changes to evoke emotion.  I have never felt so much sorrow before for two robots, then have happiness.  You can tell something is different with Wall-E in these scene, his dark eyes.  It is not until the end that his eyes come out of the clouded shadows, and his bright and cherry personality is felt once again.  Eve as well is superb in this entire scene.  It is truly in my top 5 most emotional scenes ever. No kissing, just simple mechanical love. It's a fascinating scene for a fascinating movie that blends absolute beauty in a dystopian future. 


ANASTASIA

Maybe not the greatest plot in films, but that is not what this topic is about, it's about animation, and it is clear that Anastasia has some of the smoothest, most solidly done human animations in a long time.  The movements are so fluid and realistic, yet with a slight cartoon overtone.  But they move as real people would, and to see them drawn frame by frame so perfectly, is astounding.  Even in the several scenes where the camera spins around the characters, it is done so eloquently. This scene showcases the wonderful movement and human expressions with varying character designs. The French look French and the Russian's look Russian.  It makes you want to get up and dance as it evokes fun and welcoming feelings.


SNOW WHITE AND THE SEVEN DWARFS

Can you believe this is from 1937?  The amount of detail and quality, fluidity in animation is second to none, and at this point, nothing even came close.  It's high production values, shading, blush in the cheeks, everything, had to be painstakingly painted, drawn and colored, frame by frame.  Yet you never see colors or blush change from frame to frame, they did it perfectly, and that was Disney's high standard they continued with.  Look at the amount of moving bits and characters in this scene.  It is pretty impressive and an animation marvel even today. 

Title: Re: Animated Marvels in Film
Post by: MasterXtreme on 2016-08-18 12:28:32
THE LION KING

I don't think I need to do this, but this was possibly the greatest hand drawn animation marvel most of you grew up with.  This clip starts out slow, but picks up as armies amass, and lava spews.  The animation is fluid and fun, with heavy tones of darkness and evil.  The Lion King was a masterpiece both in story and animation and really helped continue Disney's animation revival. 


LILO & STITCH

I am not sure if this is a full animation marvel, but that will be left up for discussion by us.  The animation is fluid and really good, with this scene being well choreographed.  What makes it unique is the turn in drawing style compared to most Disney works.  It is round, simple, fluid, and bulbous. Lots of circular shapes and very little pointed or hard shapes.  Clearly more cartoony in nature and fun, with the soft shading and blended textures and colors. 


THE IRON GIANT (spoiler)

Animated vehicles of any type is difficult in animation, but this film uses the help of some CGI with hand drawn covers over the CGI, which is why the Iron Giant blends in with the rest of this film, same with the tanks and military props seen in this clip.  The Iron Giant is a powerful film that didn't get the initial attention it deserved, but has gone down today as a modern classic made by Warner Brothers before their decline in animation.  It goes to show that other studios have amazing talent, but sadly, not the money supporting them.  Fantastic scenes here with great use of camera positioning and once again, giving a mechanical being emotion and feeling.  Be prepared for a lot of action in this scene, which helps further propel this to an animation marvel in film.

Title: Re: Animated Marvels in Film
Post by: RainySunshine on 2016-08-18 12:47:00
On our list so far... Based on what everyone has been saying.  Wonderful break downs by the way, MasterX.  Love reading them.

TRADITIONAL

Mulan
Cat's Don't Dance
Lion King
Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs
The Iron Giant
101 Dalmations
Land Before Time
The Secret of NIMH
Howl's Moving Castle
Oliver and Company
The Hunchback of Notre Dame
The Princess and the Frog
The Prince of Egypt
Balto
Fox and the Hound
The Brave Little Toaster
Beauty and the Beast
The Simpsons Movie
How The Grinch Stole Christmas
Fantasia (original)
Anastasia
Lilo & Stitch

CLAY / STOP MOTION

The Nightmare before Christmas
Coraline
ParaNorman
Wallace and Gromit
Rudolph The Red Nosed Reindeer

CGI

Shrek
Toy Story
the incredibles
Ratatouille
Wall-E
Title: Re: Animated Marvels in Film
Post by: Wolfwood on 2016-08-18 13:16:47
Based on that list so far, wipe off Rudolph, Wallace and Gromit, The Simpsons Movie, and maybe Lilo and Stitch.

Rudolph was a great classic, but you can't let nostalgia take over.

Wallace Gromit, while great, the claymation just isn't up to par here.

Simpsons Movie had nothing special in terms of animation.  Pretty much a really expensive episode of the show.

Lilo and Stitch, while great... I think the animation is up for debate if it deserves a spot. 
Title: Re: Animated Marvels in Film
Post by: Death Blossom on 2016-08-18 16:15:20
^
What Wolfwood said. A lot of these are great movies, but nothing in the animation was astounding. It was what you expected of them. For the Simpsons the closest to marvelous was maybe the animation when the family reached the beautiful part of Alaska. But that's it.

Lilo and Stich is an amazing movie with a good story and lots of fun but.... What is there that stands out? It's your standard animation. No really awesome scenes that show how strong and amazing animation can be.

I'd say the same for Bambi, except the scene with April Showers. The animators had to HAND DRAW each freaking drop of rain, how it splatted when it hit the leaf, how it slid down each leaf, the trails it left, how they dropped off the leaf, multiple times with multiple rain drops. Like, holy mother of god, and the scene itself is gorgeous, with amazing music. For me, music is a big part of movies, as a musician you just really tune into that sort of stuff and how it helps evoke such strong emotion.

Let's not forget the fire scenes.
Just look at this animation. Look at how the fire just slowly creeps away from the camp and spreads, and grows, and becomes this huge monstrous thing. The detail put into this, for its time period, it's astounding. Then when the fire reaches the forest how the Sparks and embers fly, the crackling, the way the wood breaks and cinders fall along with it. It's just phenomenal.

A lot of people say the Lion King is Disney's Magnum Opus, but for Disney himself, Bambi was his magnum opus. He loved this movie. It was his best work in his eyes.
Title: Animated Marvels in Film
Post by: NostradamusTheSeer on 2016-08-18 17:01:06
Useless fact: the sound of the fire is actually  a piece of cellophane being crinkled next to the microphone.

Although Disney has consistently turned out masterpieces for decades and has quite a few film on this list, I think we should give a shout-out to underground pioneers like Ralph Bakshi, who offered us such films as  Fritz the CatCoonskinFire and Ice, and the animated Lord of the Rings film. His work was controversial and groundbreaking for its day, pioneering and refining techniques like rotoscoping and inking actual photograph images onto cels to lend backgrounds a gritty realistic feel.
Title: Re: Animated Marvels in Film
Post by: Ari-Dynamic on 2016-08-18 22:08:04
'Who Framed Roger Rabbit'.

Hands down. <3
Title: Re: Animated Marvels in Film
Post by: MasterXtreme on 2016-08-18 23:03:50
Useless fact: the sound of the fire is actually  a piece of cellophane being crinkled next to the microphone.

Although Disney has consistently turned out masterpieces for decades and has quite a few film on this list, I think we should give a shout-out to underground pioneers like Ralph Bakshi, who offered us such films as  Fritz the CatCoonskinFire and Ice, and the animated Lord of the Rings film. His work was controversial and groundbreaking for its day, pioneering and refining techniques like rotoscoping and inking actual photograph images onto cels to lend backgrounds a gritty realistic feel.

* I was thinking of Bakshi, but at the same time... the animation while inventive and conceptual... I wouldn't call it a marvel.  I know, I know...

Fritz The Cat was a trip of a film though... they all were. 

* I thought of Who Framed Roger Rabbit, and while it may be a fine movie... I don't know if I could consider it an animation marvel.  It is partially live action too, well, a lot of live action.  Like many live action/animation mixed films, the animation did it's job.  It was neat, and so was Space Jam... but were they marvels?  Hmmm.  I guess that is up to the masses.

* Bambi.  It is a stellar film in it's own right, and the animation is amazing for the period, the amount of work put into it... but should it be truly included?
Title: Re: Animated Marvels in Film
Post by: Ari-Dynamic on 2016-08-19 04:19:31
I'm gonna have to say the Roger Rabbit ought to be considered one for both the technical achievement it brought. Live-action and animation hadn't been done for quite some time since it debuted, and really brought back interest in animation's past while paving the way for modern animation to get the go ahead. Richard Williams really did a fine job keeping it all together - not just him, but you can even thank Spielberg for getting a lot of these characters to meet. While he didn't succeed in getting a few others (there was a storyboard to get Superman and Mighty Mouse and Dick Tracy altogether on the same scene), it was a really ambitious project that paid off.

Plus, it's a really endearing story. The original source material I heard isn't really all that good (nor are some of the attempted sequels Gary K. Wolf tried to attempt getting out to ride the wave of it's success). But I think from 1989 'til now, it really set in motion Disney's finest tales from that point forward.

I wouldn't say it's a marvel in the same vein as say Snow White, which put Disney on the map, but it's certainly something that gave Disney the wake-up call it needed to make the 90's all about itself. Without it-- we wouldn't have had The Disney Afternoon - which is considered by quite a few folks to be on par with Nicktoons and Cartoon Network for it's day. I think with all the talents it had put together, it should be considered a marvel for being a risk - like Snow White - that paid off. A lot of talent combined can do some really fabulous achievements.

Plus it's good quality entertainment. I love a good film noire...





...plus Jessica Rabbit. <3
Title: Re: Animated Marvels in Film
Post by: Ari-Dynamic on 2016-08-19 04:23:01
Title: Re: Animated Marvels in Film
Post by: Death Blossom on 2016-08-19 07:27:18
I think Bambi should, I mean, the fire scenes man. And the rain scenes. And for the time period, this was hand drawn, no computers. Plus, deer walk cycles. The rain scene didn't need to be there, and look at how amazing it is. I mean, if we're questioning of Bambi should be there, shouldn't we question why Balto is there? I mean.... Is just doges in an amazingly well written movie but.... What stood out about it besides it being a good movie? The pieces I've seen, it's just dogs. I do recall a scene with a giant ass bear and a scene with a lakes ice breaking but uh. What exactly is marvelous about the animation?
Title: Re: Animated Marvels in Film
Post by: Anyponedrawn on 2016-08-19 10:12:04
Bambi should be included by the way.  Roger Rabbit probably should be included. 

The Grinch Who Stole Christmas can not be included, as it was never a cartoon in theaters, nor was it a marvel in animation.
Title: Re: Animated Marvels in Film
Post by: Darrin on 2016-08-19 11:24:11
Updated the list.  We need more entrants.

TRADITIONAL

Mulan
Cat's Don't Dance
Lion King
Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs
The Iron Giant
101 Dalmations
Land Before Time
The Secret of NIMH
Howl's Moving Castle
Oliver and Company
The Hunchback of Notre Dame
The Princess and the Frog
The Prince of Egypt
Balto
Fox and the Hound
The Brave Little Toaster
Beauty and the Beast
The Simpsons Movie
How The Grinch Stole Christmas
Fantasia (original)

Anastasia
Lilo & Stitch
Bambi
Who Framed Roger Rabbit

CLAY / STOP MOTION

The Nightmare before Christmas
Coraline
ParaNorman
Wallace and Gromit
Rudolph The Red Nosed Reindeer


CGI

Shrek
Toy Story
The Incredibles
Ratatouille
Wall-E
Title: Re: Animated Marvels in Film
Post by: Death Blossom on 2016-08-19 12:44:39
So my next question is why Shreck? I know it's a meme an all but.... Again. What's amazing about the animation...? I mean, for an old CGI movie, it had some really nice scenes where emotional expressions were really well shown but... Idk. Why do you guys think it's marvelous? I want to be enlightened. As well as those other CGI films, to me they're great movies, but what about the animation itself is awesome?

(Besides Wall-E because their animation was gorgeous. The emotions, the beautiful scenery, Wall-E definitely belongs there).
Title: Re: Animated Marvels in Film
Post by: RainySunshine on 2016-08-19 16:00:36
Shrek was at the time, possibly the greatest CGI animated film in terms of detail and quality, ever.  They were the only company to match and maybe surpass Pixar in terms of the textures and everything they did.  Since then, they haven't kept up.  But the film had amazing set pieces, did crazy amounts of work for all the forest shots, all the leaves, and successfully did smoke, fire, and lava in several scenes.  The characters had tons of details and facial imperfections which blended them to look somewhat realistic, with a hint of cartoon-ness.  You also had a fully realized and scaled dragon. 

Title: Re: Animated Marvels in Film
Post by: Wolfwood on 2016-08-19 19:42:16
I think Shrek deserves a spot, it was pretty advanced for the time.  It was realistic humans well done in a CGI film.  The Shrek's after that deserve nothing.

Incredibles?  Isn't that deserving or credit or Ratatouille because of the beautiful Paris and rat fur? 
Title: Re: Animated Marvels in Film
Post by: Death Blossom on 2016-08-19 22:01:06
I think that's not fair to say, Shreck 2 was far superior. Shreck one was basically a high quality movie that just shit all over the Disney Formula. After that, then yes, they were pretty bad. But idk, I think in general, Shreck did nothing outstanding amazing with their animation.
Title: Re: Animated Marvels in Film
Post by: Anyponedrawn on 2016-08-29 22:11:05
You can make your other topic idea, we agreed not to make it so you could. :)  We are good people. ;)  We discussed this in great depth, Grapefoot. ;) 
Title: Re: Animated Marvels in Film
Post by: Death Blossom on 2016-08-29 22:15:22
Oh so I'm gonna add Watership Down here. Stellar animation, great rabbit anatomy and movement, the only thing unrealistic is the rabbits lack attributes. That's it. And yes, I do believe it was released in theaters. In the UK. It still counts right?
Title: Re: Animated Marvels in Film
Post by: Rainberry on 2016-08-29 22:23:24
It counts, it was in theaters. ;)

What do you mean by attributes?  Like bunny organs? 
Title: Re: Animated Marvels in Film
Post by: Death Blossom on 2016-08-29 22:26:43
The male rabbits didn't have balls. Literally the only thing unrealistic about the movie. Next to Big Wig not becoming the leader. In rabbit colonies I believe its biggest means leader.

They got down the rabbits brutality, how they fight. Rabbits aren't built to be cute. They're built to survive their environment. Those teeth and nails are strong and sharp and they can cause damage, even to people. I got scars to prove it XD But one thing that just wins me over is the dark elements. It's just so brutal. Like when those two rabbits get hit by a freaking train. Like wow. Just boom, one second they're their next second they're pancakes.
Title: Re: Animated Marvels in Film
Post by: Anyponedrawn on 2016-08-29 22:27:21
Why would they draw bunny balls in a "kids" film? 


Okay... even though it wasn't a kids film, I doubt they want to draw that.
Title: Re: Animated Marvels in Film
Post by: Death Blossom on 2016-08-29 22:28:50
Well, Japan wasn't above drawing Toonoki's with huge giant balls falling from the sky and using said giant testicles to win against the humans invading their forest. You know. For kids.

I'm not saying bunny balls should have been included, I'm just saying they drew the rabbits very realistically and literally the only thing not there is their organs.
Title: Re: Animated Marvels in Film
Post by: Rainberry on 2016-08-29 22:31:20
Well, Japan wasn't above drawing Toonoki's with huge giant balls falling from the sky and using said giant testicles to win against the humans invading their forest. You know. For kids.

Japan's different.  Their culture is diff.  They like nudity. ;) 
Title: Re: Animated Marvels in Film
Post by: Anyponedrawn on 2016-08-29 22:32:06
Point taken. :)

They also did that movie about two test lab animals, and that horrifying scene where a dog kills a kindly old man. 
Title: Re: Animated Marvels in Film
Post by: Death Blossom on 2016-08-29 22:35:08
They like nudity but they try to be covert about it. And fail really badly at it lol. Cuz they act all stuffy and restrained haha.

Wow, that's crazy. I'd like to see that.
Title: Re: Animated Marvels in Film
Post by: Anyponedrawn on 2016-08-29 22:38:39
It was eerily called, "The Plague Dogs." 


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Plague_Dogs_(film)
Title: Re: Animated Marvels in Film
Post by: Death Blossom on 2016-08-29 22:41:02
Oooooh this movie. I thought you meant another movie. Yes I've heard of this movie. Still have to watch it.
Title: Animated Marvels in Film
Post by: NostradamusTheSeer on 2016-08-29 23:19:08
I'm the same way with Felidae.  I've had it in my YouTube queue for months and still haven't watched it. From what I read it's a pretty messed-up film.

Yeah, I just don't think anyone wants to see dog and cat balls in a cartoon.   As I noted elsewhere (http://psfforum.com/index.php?topic=230.msg11893#msg11893l), I'm already being taken to task by "fans" for drawing my dog's butthole.  Imagine seeing that up on the big screen twelve feet high, looking back at you.
Title: Re: Animated Marvels in Film
Post by: Death Blossom on 2016-08-29 23:23:43
Well actually. The Secret Life of Pets did show us a big ol cat anus. You know the one we're all so fond off. Cat anuses are so weird.
Title: Re: Animated Marvels in Film
Post by: Anyponedrawn on 2016-08-30 00:18:34
I mean... you can do what you want, but I've never understand why people draw that...
Title: Re: Animated Marvels in Film
Post by: Death Blossom on 2016-08-30 04:23:36
Accurate depiction of animals. What's wrong showing a cats butt? Kids do know they're there, it's not like they don't know what a butt is. So I see no reason for censoring or avoiding doing it. Some artists just put a little x for an anus. And I guess because otherwise it looks weird, depending on the style, if literally nothing is there but vast empty space.
Title: Re: Animated Marvels in Film
Post by: Darrin on 2016-08-30 12:36:09
I'm the same way with Felidae.  I've had it in my YouTube queue for months and still haven't watched it. From what I read it's a pretty messed-up film.

I've heard it is a jarring film.  Count me in to watch it. 
Title: Re: Animated Marvels in Film
Post by: Grapefoot on 2016-09-28 23:20:28
Oh my gosh!  There are so many amazing animations out there.... that aren't in film.  I know this is breaking my own criteria, but I want you all to see this animation if you got like 4 minutes.  There is some scenes that are so fluid and it's just like... magic.

Title: Re: Animated Marvels in Film
Post by: Grapefoot on 2017-12-19 17:31:38
I am going to add this as well.


Well animated and a nice and enjoyable short with a cute message.
Title: Re: Animated Marvels in Film
Post by: Dreaming-of-moonz on 2018-10-27 01:05:27
Howl's Moving Castle, Oliver and Company, Balto... They're all here! <3
Title: Re: Animated Marvels in Film
Post by: Grapefoot on 2018-10-27 11:36:21
Cats Don't Dance was the Zooptopia of the 90s.  It was about race relations. ;D  But I feel they did it less preachy then Zootopia.