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The Lounge => Television & Film Discussion => Topic started by: Anyponedrawn on 2016-02-05 11:06:36
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Traditional or CGI Animation?
I grew up with many classic, traditionally drawn animated films and cartoons. When Pixar's Toy Story came out in the 90s, it began the current decline of hand drawn animated films. We haven't seen a major hand drawn animated film in years! It has been regulated mainly now to daily cartoons, but even those are starting to slow down as more computer animated cartoons appear.
So my question is simple. What do you like more? Let's discuss this changing trend and possible soon to be lost art of hand drawn animation.
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Huh.........hard to really say which one I prefer over the other......
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I like both.
Both can be done well. CG as more potential to look horribly ugly, though (Norm of the North *cough cough*). Both can show characters with a wide variety of emotions. And both can be just as gut wrenching if need be.
To be honest, whether a film or cartoon is CG or traditional, it comes down to how good the story is. The animation, whether it's good or bad, also plays a very important role. But just having your film be CG doesn't automatically make it good. Nor does it make it bad. It all depends on how you use the tool.
Aesthetically, I sometimes prefer traditional cartoons, as they tend to have a lower budget, and low budget CG looks really offsetting. Films though, if done well and with enough time and care, can come out astonishingly beautiful.
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Movies like Frozen and Tangled are awesome bits of CG movie examples. And then you have the old school stuff like Sword in the Stone. Classic animation that just sticks with ya
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Oh yeah.
It all depends on the talent and dedication people put into their work.
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Indeed. While I brought it up, fave Disney movie if you got one?
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I personally enjoy traditionally done animation more. To me it has more raw emotion and connection with the artist.
Don't get me wrong, because CGI is beautiful too. Pixar are the masters, but as time as progressed, we are seeing all design companies doing these rubbery round faced characters. Everything is looking the same now. They have realized they can only design human cartoons in so many ways with CGI, which is ridiculous if you think about it.
Traditional has more opporunity to be creative and unique with character designs instead of bland, blobby, faces and bodies.
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Hmm, perhaps.
Though Pixar has made CG characters have more variety in their face shape. Examples include The Incredibles and Ratatouille. Both directed by the same guy if I'm not mistaken... huh.
Frozen and Tangled have similar face designs because they take place in the same universe.
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Frozen and Tangled have similar face designs because they take place in the same universe.
Hmm, did not know that.
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Yea.
I got lots of other cool facts too lol
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Rapunzel and Eugene DID cameo in frozen afterall
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Nothing beats all the work in a traditional animation. Hand drawn animation, frame by frame, nothing beats the hard work in that.
Although CG can be real amazing, there's just something about a traditional animation that when I look at it I'm like "THAT".
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I'm going to have to side with the traditionalists here. There is more life and warmth in hand drawn animation. You have to be really involved and into it, to carry on the long hours and devotion for a hand drawn project.
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The emotion and devotion that goes into hand drawn animation, GOOD hand drawn animation, can be seen. It is a labor of love and oh so rewarding when it is complete.
You can pass off CGI work with no emotion pretty easily. It happens almost every other month in theaters.
Traditional animation 110% of the way for me.
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Also, the reason Elsa and Anna's parents went on that trip? They were going to Rapunzel's wedding. As stated by one of the workers on the movie.
Well, CG also takes an massive amount of time.
It takes a week to animate a second of time in a CG film.
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Also, the reason Elsa and Anna's parents went on that trip? They were going to Rapunzel's wedding. As stated by one of the workers on the movie.
Well, CG also takes an massive amount of time.
It takes a week to animate a second of time in a CG film.
That makes it even more tragic
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Yep. Quite tragic.
It also makes it sadder if you go by FilmTheorists headcanon about the Frozen Sisters and Rapunzel.
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I'm going to make a wild assumption that I am turning into a theory.
I would take it that younger people, who were born in the 90s and onward, will say CGI is their favorite because that is what they grew up with. People before the 90s, will say traditional. I think that is holding up pretty much so far. Also artist folk will probably side with traditional as well.
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Just think, two empty seats at the wedding and that was the rreason
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Well, I like both. I grew up with both.
I can see the good sides of both. Both take a lot of time and effort when done well.
There is crappy garbage traditional animation, and there is crappy garbage CG animation.
It all depends on how much time, effort, and love is put into an animation project. You can tell when the artists put their time and effort into it. You can tell that what they're doing is something they care about and want to make it good.
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I'm torn, but I prefer 2D animation over 3D, but 2D can be done in the computer too, I want to learn how to animate to have my characters move o.o
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We all want our characters to move.
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I miss traditional animation. People don't really try anymore I think, when it comes to animated cartoons on TV. I kinda miss the whole 'storybook' sort of appeal of classic movies, be it Disney or other animators like Don Bluth. CGI is fine though, but, I dunno. I think people try too hard to be the next Pixar in that some of the characters look almost exactly like... xD
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Did you hear that Don Bluth is gonna make a Dragon's Lair movie? Full classic 2d animation?
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Oh boy. Let's hope it's not a failure like his most recent works.
Don't get me wrong I LOVE his past works. They were stellar. But some of his newer stuff started to really suck.
And traditional animation still exists, Gravity Falls, Steven Universe, and Bob's Burgers are hand drawn and not CGI.
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Yus. I didnt really get into bobs burgers tho
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My mom says the characters all look like feet.
Archer is also hand-drawn, and one episode (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFobb7n7AzE)has an appearance by the Belcher family (the guy who plays Bob is also the voice of Sterling Archer). It's impressive, although somehow vaguely disturbing, to see them in a far more realistic style.
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It so was O_o
And really, Blurr? It's a good show. Pretty funny at times. You do have to get used to their designs though, they're a bit off putting at first.
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I watched the first few episodes but it just didn't really click with me
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Really? Bummer.
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Oh well. at least I gave it a shot. Like with ketchup
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At least. It's better than not trying it at all and saying you hate it.
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Indeed.
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Good on you for tying. Wish more people would do that.
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Sometimes the mere look of something can turn a person off to it
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I admit the style is a bit weird for Bob's Burgers. Them and their penis noses.
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hehe. phallic
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They were originally going to be longer lol
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I can imagine it now and I am laughing
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The main dude behind it even called them penis noses XD
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Oh thats too funny
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Self awareness.
In the brony episode they even made fun of their noses.
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PFFFFFFFT. being self aware in shows can either be bad or good. Depends on the delivery
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True.
Though I was talking about the creator being self aware about the style
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I just noticed no one has voited for CGI at all
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I thought I had...
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there it is
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"Thar he is!"
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Hand drawn, hands down. ;)
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This guy^^
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Hue.
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I remember that short period of time when live action films had cartoon characters animated in them. There were some cult classics. I know Disney did a famous one, then there was also, "Who Framed Roger Rabbit." A sequel to that is in the works.
Then there have been many live action and CGI character films, but not a single one got good reviews. ;)
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I have no strong opinion, in general! A really gorgeous piece of traditional animation often "feels" better than top-notch CGI to me, and cheap CGI comes across /way worse/ than cheap traditional. But I'm mostly comfortable with the rise of CGI as the dominant medium for western "A-list" animated movies, though I understand it's a phenomenon that's caused heartache for many.
Not such a fan of the cheap CGI crud that seems to be filling in the low-end kids TV market, but I guess I wasn't likely to watch those shows anyway.
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Did you hear that Don Bluth is gonna make a Dragon's Lair movie? Full classic 2d animation?
I hope it's good. :3 It better be!
...though Rock-a-Doodle II: All Furried Up's not a bad idea. :B har har har
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Did you hear that Don Bluth is gonna make a Dragon's Lair movie? Full classic 2d animation?
I hope it's good. :3 It better be!
WAIT? WHAT? Where is a source for this awesome news?
EDIT: Here is some info, but not good info.
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/dragon-s-lair-returns#/
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Funny how the recent news is that they're also trying to remake 'The Black Cauldron', which he worked on. It's an underrated classic, but I guess a reboot might be okay.
They better not screw up Secret of NIMH, though. The sequel that's already out there is horrific, lol.
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I really hope they don't screw up these classics either.
I am all for them making a traditionally animated film. I am worried they will say they don't have enough money and wimp out and do CGI. Though at the same time, I feel Bluth wouldn't do that.
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A remake of the Black Cauldron? I thought critics said the movie sucked donkey balls.
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I thought it was alright, to be honest. xD Even if Disney kinda skipped parts from the book, which I never read, it was definitely a nice change of the usual Disney fluff. I like stuff like that-- animation that veers off from the usual sing-along and dance fancy. :>
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I watched it when I was a small kid, I liked it. I'm just saying, would it really be a lucrative move for Disney to remake one of their movies that wasn't that well received.
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This is why we need more traditional animation. Look at this! THIS is amazing.
Yes, you can use CGI to enhance things, but this is still hand drawn awesomeness.
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Some more evidence of hand drawn animation and how it rocks. When watching this, realize it was all done by one guy for four years on the weekends in his "spare" time. It's insane.
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I am not sure the MLP movie made waves like people were hoping in the traditional animation world but it sure was refreshing to not see another rubbery CGI cartoon. The fact they even made it traditionally was lovely and exciting. They did it with a low budget too, which shows you can successfully make a traditional animated film much cheaper then they used too.
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Let me add this for a win on 2D animation!
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Wonderful.
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Lets throw another hand drawn piece in their by a non-big animation studio! You'll like it!
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Hand drawn just has so much emotion in it.
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I'm gonna sound super boring with this opinion but... I think both CGI and traditional hand drawn animation have their own strength and weaknesses.
Hand drawn animation, while super expressive and on the right hands it can achieve anything, it's super restrictive due to technical limitations and expansive.
On the other hand, CGI can go where traditional animation can't without having to spend who knows how much money of budget and it's even capable to surpass traditional animation if done right.
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Combine the forces of hand drawn and CGI together you can see fascinating things made. Done wrong, you can have horrible and janky.