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« Reply #2310 on: 2020-10-03 11:21:30 »

@megacycle

We're all human, and our thoughts are not perfect. I feel for you because I've also experienced the same thing. We can only choose which thoughts we act on and try throughout our lives to train our thoughts to be better.

I have a somewhat dark sense of humor... so my thoughts are far from pure but I don't want to harbor hatred towards anybody. It's hard... people say and do awful things online.

It breaks my heart to hear what others on the left have done to you, megacycle, especially since the left is supposed to be about freedom and acceptance. A lot of people don't live up to these ideals -- a lot of people fail to live up to any ideals. I just want you to know that those things people have done to you are not rooted in real left-wing ideology. They are rooted in hate, pride, callousness and all the darker aspects of humanity. Calls for the abolition of policing as an institution and calls for all cops to be killed are not the same, even as much as people on both sides might pretend that they are.

I do believe that these people are leftist... they have adopted left-wing ideology, but they have taken it to the extreme. I'd call it far-left. People on the right do the same thing... the far-right. I don't think being conservative makes you evil, I don't think being liberal makes you evil. Based on my own beliefs and my opinions, I am a conservative but I don't fall on the extreme end of the spectrum. I believe in having a strong form of law enforcement. I believe in the right to bear arms. I am Christian and I was raised with Christian values. I wasn't raised to hate people or to judge people and I try not to do that, but I am guilty of it. I think we all are.

I hope you can feel safe to express yourself here, and I would love to hear what you have to say about things. Hopefully everyone will learn more that way.

I feel more comfortable expressing myself here than on other sites, I try not to offend people and I usually apologize if I do. I just don't like being told to educate myself (which I will do if I am wrong.) before being blocked by people for simply sharing my own opinion on the subject. That's what most of the people who say they are on the left will do to me, and have done so a few times.

All in all, I'm just depressed by all of this sh**! I want to go back to being ignorant of politics! lol.
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« Reply #2311 on: 2020-10-03 12:01:31 »

@FoxTail

Normally, I'd like to go into more detail with each of your points out of respect for your opinions. But there's so much to unpack, I just have to be brief and list my counterpoints.

1) Saying that the majority of hate is coming from the left ignores the fact that alt-right and fascist groups are also on the rise, and their hate isn't a byproduct of human nature -- it's baked into the ideology.
2) Our cities are not in nearly as much chaos as some on the right say. And what chaos there is might be justifiable given what the order there has looked like. Martin Luther King Jr. has been quoted as saying "a riot is the language of the unheard," and I tend to agree.
3) Militarization of radicals, again, ignores two things. First, right-wing radicals are much more militarized than left-wing groups. Even some moderate ring-wing people were showing up, with guns, at state capitols as a protest to COVID restrictions. The second thing is that, as far as militarization goes, the police are particularly egregious, and that would be a problem in the eyes of a group that doesn't believe the police have their best interests at heart.
4) As for the CHAZ enforcing their own laws -- would that not be ideal? I'm not saying the CHAZ was perfect at all, but aren't the people supposed to determine the laws governing them?
5) The acts of political violence you named are the acts of individual people. I don't support either of them, but I refer again to the MLK quote I have in #2; when people feel like they don't have a voice politically, violence becomes their only option. Whether or not you think they had other options, we need to ask why certain people feel the need to turn to violence.
6) I don't know what particular "extreme views" you're speaking against, but your criticism is based on the idea that "extreme = bad." And that's dependent on where you think the "moderate" views are, which, in reality, might not be so moderate to begin with.
7) The Democrats are not the radical left nor are the radical left the Democrats. Democrats have much more in common with Republicans than they do with the radical left. The Democratic presidential candidate, Joe Biden, for example, has said that he doesn't support the Green New Deal, doesn't support defunding the police (let alone abolishing it), and has only mentioned "expanding Medicare coverage" (not even close to universal healthcare). The Democrats do not support the changes that the radical left are calling for. Why would they? The Democrats are one of the two most influential political groups in the United States right now. Why would they support any significant change if the system already grants them power?
8 ) Criticizing the left as being "Anti-American" is assuming that you both a) know what Americanism is and b) that Americanism is something worth protecting. Those two things may not be true.
9) Students are not taught a "left-wing mentality" in school. Students are taught to be independent, critical thinkers who should not just accept the way the world is as fact. If that leads to a more "left-wing mentality," then I don't have to say anything more.
10) Just because "most people" see something as true does not make it true. Propaganda can and has misled entire populations into thinking what is wrong is right, what is false is true, and vice versa. Just because a movement does not have the force of a majority does not make it less correct. Since you mention slavery (and I'll address the party thing too), most people used to think slavery was good or that it would end on its own. The abolitionists -- the people saying it was wrong to hold other human beings in bondage and that it had to end immediately -- were a small "growing vocal group" at the time.
11) The Republican and Democratic parties are not immutable pillars of competing ideals. They change over time to maintain their support and power. I won't go into all the history behind the "party switch," but there's a reason white nationalists continue to support Donald Trump and not Joe Biden.

This is much more inflammatory than I would like, but, like I said, there was so much to unpack in your comment that I had to be terse. I hope you take these points into consideration, and I hope to see your counter-counterpoints.  :)
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« Reply #2312 on: 2020-10-03 12:15:06 »

@megacycle

I don't have a dark sense of humor myself, but I agree that we shouldn't hate anybody. Hate the things they do, perhaps, but not the person. And, yes, people can be pretty bad online when they have the shield of anonymity.

I will have to disagree with your judgement of those people's ideology though. They may identify as leftists and preach left-wing ideas, but if they're condemning you out of hand simply for not understanding or agreeing with them totally and immediately, then they have failed at living the ideals they claim to represent. I say this as someone who self-identifies as "far-left." I don't believe in strong law enforcement, but I do strongly believe in the right to bear arms. I was only raised culturally Christian, but I have grown much more faithful in my adult life, and it is -- I believe -- precisely for that reason that I've adopted left-wing politics. Which could be seen as ironic, but I don't believe it is. I don't think we should hate and judge either, but I agree with you that it's hard not to. I fight within myself every day to not judge and hate people, and I do fail as well.

I'm glad you feel safe to share your opinions on this site! I hope I can be someone who educates you on left-wing positions instead of just telling you to "educate yourself." And I hope to be taught by you as well.  :)

And amen to the depressing thing! Ignorance really is bliss, haha!
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« Reply #2313 on: 2020-10-03 13:15:38 »

President Delivers Video Message, Says He Is Doing Well.

President's Condition Revealed At Briefing.

Chris Christie Tests Positive...

Trump campaign manager tests positive for COVID-19.

White House Journalists Testing Positive...

Sen. Thom Tillis (R), Senate Judiciary Committee member, tests positive for COVID-19.

8 attendees of SCOTUS nomination at Rose Garden test positive for COVID-19.

Cleveland records 11 new COVID-19 cases after presidential debate.

Joe Biden says he prays Donald and Melania Trump make a full recovery.

Barack Obama wishes ‘speedy recovery’ to President Trump, Melania.

China's Xi sends sympathy message to Trump over infection.

Kim Jong-un sends well wishes to Donald Trump, Melania...

Pence-Harris VP debate still on.

Democratic Senate candidate Cal Cunningham admits he sent sexual messages to woman who is not his wife...

President Approval Sits At 46%, Down From 53%.
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« Reply #2314 on: 2020-10-03 17:14:53 »

I said it before, but I do hope Donald and Melania get well soon. Hopefully they won't even have many symptoms to speak of.

Thank you for the news articles and topics, @MasterXtreme. Do you take the time to find them all yourself?
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« Reply #2315 on: 2020-10-03 21:19:10 »

@Zracken3 Yeah, you are welcome.  There is about three of us who try to keep people up on the news from many sources.  I have been considering getting this topic changed to 'US News and Politics' since we have a 'World News' topic.  That would allow us to focus on more than just politics since there is a lot of US news worth talking about too. It would allow us to post something happier than politics too. ;)
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« Reply #2316 on: 2020-10-03 21:23:22 »

We usually post news stories and once in awhile people comment, but that is fine.  It's just so people can get SOMETHING instead of nothing.  It is one of the most viewed topics, so people are indeed looking at it at least.  :)
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« Reply #2317 on: 2020-10-03 21:33:59 »

Cool! Well, thank you everyone who goes out of their way to post topics and articles for discussion.  :D

Yeah, it might be a good idea to get the thread name changed since it seems to be kind of US-centered. But, it's gone on this long with the same name and seems to be doing alright. I feel like leaving the thread title as is might also be more inviting to non-Americans. I don't know though. :P

I don't know if it'd make things happier. Hardly anything happens in the United States without it becoming a political issue, lol.
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« Reply #2318 on: 2020-10-03 21:37:50 »


I don't know if it'd make things happier. Hardly anything happens in the United States without it becoming a political issue, lol.

There is lots of good news I would love to report honestly.  There is sometimes good political news, but never enough.  But people do wonderful things every day and I try to add happy news stories... near the bottom, as well as weird stories. ;)
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« Reply #2319 on: 2020-10-03 21:39:09 »

I have been considering getting this topic changed to 'US News and Politics' since we have a 'World News' topic.

I am down with that.  Since we are the main aggregators here, we can discuss this in PM and figure out what we want to do with this topic.  I feel if we do open it up, it can bring in more GOOD discussion too with good news.  Right now, we have to stick US news into the World News topic and it doesn't always fit well.
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« Reply #2320 on: 2020-10-05 15:56:25 »

President Trump will return to the White House after three days fighting COVID-19 at Walter Reed, but not out of the Woods Yet.

President Does Drive-by Around Walter Reed To Hundreds of Supporters, Says Secret Service Was Safe.

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White House Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany Tests Positive...

White House identifies 206 people possibly exposed to COVID...

Pence tests negative for COVID-19 for third time since Trump's diagnosis.

Mike Pence Will Continue Aggressive Campaign Schedule.

CDC revises coronavirus guidance to acknowledge that it spreads through airborne transmission...

14 states hit single-day COVID-19 high in first days of October...

Biden Presses His Case to Florida Voters and Renews Criticism of Trump.

Biden says he'll debate Trump next week if it's deemed safe.

Biden riles pro-life Catholics with ads depicting him as 'clear moral choice' for religious voters.

GOP anxiety grows over Trump political roller coaster.

Pence and Harris to be separated by plexiglass barrier at vice presidential debate on Wednesday.

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Portland Police Spent Nearly $8 Million in First Two Months of Nightly Rioting...

The Conservative Trans Woman Who Went Undercover With Antifa in Portland.

Riots Get Violent As Police Arrest 16 in Seattle.

37 shot, 5 fatally, in Chicago this past weekend...

Popular Show 'COPS' filming with Spokane County Sheriff's Office until November, Months After Cancellation.

California wildfires on the brink of burning 4 million acres...
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« Reply #2321 on: 2020-10-07 15:16:54 »

VICE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE LIVE STREAMS TONIGHT.  It will be live from Utah.

Vice President Mike Pence and Kamala Harris will face off in the only VP debate of this campaign season.



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« Reply #2322 on: 2020-10-07 15:37:12 »

Mike Pence & Kamala set to debate Wednesday Night In Utah.

White House Declassifies Russia Probe Documents, Clinton Email Probe.

More Documents To be Declassified.

New Files Highlight Brennan’s Role Promoting Clinton’s Russia Collusion Narrative.

White House Doctor gives update on Trump's condition amid coronavirus battle.

Biden Says Trump Shouldn’t Debate If He Still Has Covid-19.

Biden Leads Trump in Nevada and the Two Are Tied in Ohio, Polls Show.

Trump campaign cancels Ohio, Iowa TV ads amid optimism over swing state election chances.

Trump mocks Joe Biden for awkward remark about young girls.

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NBC News’ Joe Biden Town Hall Sets Ratings Record for 2020 Election Cycle.

‘Undecided’ voters at NBC town hall were all Joe Biden supporters...

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Subpoena for Trump tax returns heading back to Supreme Court.

De Blasio administration has issued zero tickets to maskless New Yorkers.

Subject of Project Veritas voter fraud story says he was offered bribe.

James O’Keefe Hits Back At ‘Bogus Report’ That Alleges Bribe Was Offered.

Facebook Steps Up QAnon Banning.

Grand Jury indicts Netflix in connection with 'Cuties' film.
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« Reply #2323 on: 2020-10-07 19:43:00 »

The VP debate is over and unlike the first debate where I think Biden edged a victory over Trump, I think Pence beat Harris.  Not at the beginning, he wasn't answering questions, but he quickly changed his responses and started answering like he should.  He answered with substance.  Both answered with a lot of policy, so it depends on your views as to who had the best policy ideas.  But I couldn't get over how often Harris attacked Pence and showed no respect to him a handful of times saying she wouldn't listen to him and telling him to stop talking.  It was pretty rude looking.  Pence sealed the deal with the very last question where he directly answered the students question while Harris just told her to vote for Biden, even though the kid can't vote.  Pence backed up his response by how he acted and treated Harris in the debate.  Harris didn't. 

So in short, Pence won that debate handedly.  In the first debate, Biden looked better than Trump.  There you go.
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« Reply #2324 on: 2020-10-07 19:46:59 »

I just got done watching the debate and wasn't it nice to actually have a debate?  It was nice to hear answers and not constant interrupting.  Mike Pence won this round for the Trump Administration.  He came off as strong and competent.  Maybe he could have showed some more emotion?  But that is a nitpick.  Harris on the other hand did well but slowly became unravelled when Pence started calling her out for lies and her record.  She visually became frazzled.  You also can't shake her lack of being authentic.  She seems like an act, and voters originally said that when she was running for President.  But I think she did good overall in this debate.

Mike Pence's experience prevailed here.  I think they both provided a good view of what their respective campaigns would do in the White House.  Good to have a legit debate!  Good job.

Also the moderator did a nice job.  I don't remember her name, but she works for USA Today.  Nice job, Ma'm.
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