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Title: Traditional or CGI Animation?
Post by: Anyponedrawn on 2016-02-05 11:06:36
Traditional or CGI Animation?

I grew up with many classic, traditionally drawn animated films and cartoons.  When Pixar's Toy Story came out in the 90s, it began the current decline of hand drawn animated films.  We haven't seen a major hand drawn animated film in years!  It has been regulated mainly now to daily cartoons, but even those are starting to slow down as more computer animated cartoons appear.

So my question is simple.  What do you like more?  Let's discuss this changing trend and possible soon to be lost art of hand drawn animation.
Title: Re: Traditional or CGI Animation?
Post by: Blurr on 2016-02-05 11:39:59
Huh.........hard to really say which one I prefer over the other......
Title: Re: Traditional or CGI Animation?
Post by: Death Blossom on 2016-02-05 11:40:34
I like both.
Both can be done well. CG as more potential to look horribly ugly, though (Norm of the North *cough cough*). Both can show characters with a wide variety of emotions. And both can be just as gut wrenching if need be.
To be honest, whether a film or cartoon is CG or traditional, it comes down to how good the story is. The animation, whether it's good or bad, also plays a very important role. But just having your film be CG doesn't automatically make it good. Nor does it make it bad. It all depends on how you use the tool.

Aesthetically, I sometimes prefer traditional cartoons, as they tend to have a lower budget, and low budget CG looks really offsetting. Films though, if done well and with enough time and care, can come out astonishingly beautiful.
Title: Re: Traditional or CGI Animation?
Post by: Blurr on 2016-02-05 11:44:18
Movies like Frozen and Tangled are awesome bits of CG movie examples. And then you have the old school stuff like Sword in the Stone. Classic animation that just sticks with ya
Title: Re: Traditional or CGI Animation?
Post by: Death Blossom on 2016-02-05 11:49:41
Oh yeah.

It all depends on the talent and dedication people put into their work.
Title: Re: Traditional or CGI Animation?
Post by: Blurr on 2016-02-05 11:50:41
Indeed. While I brought it up, fave Disney movie if you got one?
Title: Re: Traditional or CGI Animation?
Post by: Grapefoot on 2016-02-05 12:43:05
I personally enjoy traditionally done animation more.  To me it has more raw emotion and connection with the artist.

Don't get me wrong, because CGI is beautiful too. Pixar are the masters, but as time as progressed, we are seeing all design companies doing these rubbery round faced characters.  Everything is looking the same now.  They have realized they can only design human cartoons in so many ways with CGI, which is ridiculous if you think about it.

Traditional has more opporunity to be creative and unique with character designs instead of bland, blobby, faces and bodies. 
Title: Re: Traditional or CGI Animation?
Post by: Death Blossom on 2016-02-05 13:18:39
Hmm, perhaps.
Though Pixar has made CG characters have more variety in their face shape. Examples include The Incredibles and Ratatouille. Both directed by the same guy if I'm not mistaken... huh.

Frozen and Tangled have similar face designs because they take place in the same universe.
Title: Re: Traditional or CGI Animation?
Post by: Grapefoot on 2016-02-05 13:37:43


Frozen and Tangled have similar face designs because they take place in the same universe.

Hmm, did not know that. 
Title: Re: Traditional or CGI Animation?
Post by: Death Blossom on 2016-02-05 13:49:01
Yea.
I got lots of other cool facts too lol
Title: Re: Traditional or CGI Animation?
Post by: Blurr on 2016-02-05 14:20:23
Rapunzel and Eugene DID cameo in frozen afterall
Title: Re: Traditional or CGI Animation?
Post by: Miggs on 2016-02-05 16:46:08
Nothing beats all the work in a traditional animation. Hand drawn animation, frame by frame, nothing beats the hard work in that.

Although CG can be real amazing, there's just something about a traditional animation that when I look at it I'm like "THAT".
Title: Re: Traditional or CGI Animation?
Post by: Soda on 2016-02-05 16:50:38
I'm going to have to side with the traditionalists here.  There is more life and warmth in hand drawn animation.  You have to be really involved and into it, to carry on the long hours and devotion for a hand drawn project. 
Title: Re: Traditional or CGI Animation?
Post by: RainySunshine on 2016-02-05 19:01:27
The emotion and devotion that goes into hand drawn animation, GOOD hand drawn animation, can be seen.  It is a labor of love and oh so rewarding when it is complete.

You can pass off CGI work with no emotion pretty easily.  It happens almost every other month in theaters. 

Traditional animation 110% of the way for me. 
Title: Re: Traditional or CGI Animation?
Post by: Death Blossom on 2016-02-05 19:19:50
Also, the reason Elsa and Anna's parents went on that trip? They were going to Rapunzel's wedding. As stated by one of the workers on the movie.

Well, CG also takes an massive amount of time.
It takes a week to animate a second of time in a CG film.
Title: Re: Traditional or CGI Animation?
Post by: Blurr on 2016-02-05 19:44:20
Also, the reason Elsa and Anna's parents went on that trip? They were going to Rapunzel's wedding. As stated by one of the workers on the movie.

Well, CG also takes an massive amount of time.
It takes a week to animate a second of time in a CG film.

That makes it even more tragic
Title: Re: Traditional or CGI Animation?
Post by: Death Blossom on 2016-02-05 21:02:55
Yep. Quite tragic.

It also makes it sadder if you go by FilmTheorists headcanon about the Frozen Sisters and Rapunzel.
Title: Re: Traditional or CGI Animation?
Post by: Grapefoot on 2016-02-05 21:12:15
I'm going to make a wild assumption that I am turning into a theory.

I would take it that younger people, who were born in the 90s and onward, will say CGI is their favorite because that is what they grew up with.  People before the 90s, will say traditional.  I think that is holding up pretty much so far.  Also artist folk will probably side with traditional as well. 
Title: Re: Traditional or CGI Animation?
Post by: Blurr on 2016-02-05 21:21:43
Just think, two empty seats at the wedding and that was the rreason
Title: Re: Traditional or CGI Animation?
Post by: Death Blossom on 2016-02-05 21:27:30
Well, I like both. I grew up with both.
I can see the good sides of both. Both take a lot of time and effort when done well.
There is crappy garbage traditional animation, and there is crappy garbage CG animation.
It all depends on how much time, effort, and love is put into an animation project. You can tell when the artists put their time and effort into it. You can tell that what they're doing is something they care about and want to make it good.
Title: Re: Traditional or CGI Animation?
Post by: Umeko on 2016-02-08 08:10:55
I'm torn, but I prefer 2D animation over 3D, but 2D can be done in the computer too, I want to learn how to animate to have my characters move o.o
Title: Re: Traditional or CGI Animation?
Post by: Blurr on 2016-02-08 10:33:32
We all want our characters to move.
Title: Re: Traditional or CGI Animation?
Post by: Ari-Dynamic on 2016-02-08 14:00:54
I miss traditional animation. People don't really try anymore I think, when it comes to animated cartoons on TV. I kinda miss the whole 'storybook' sort of appeal of classic movies, be it Disney or other animators like Don Bluth. CGI is fine though, but, I dunno. I think people try too hard to be the next Pixar in that some of the characters look almost exactly like... xD
Title: Re: Traditional or CGI Animation?
Post by: Blurr on 2016-02-08 16:58:18
Did you hear that Don Bluth is gonna make a Dragon's Lair movie? Full classic 2d animation?
Title: Re: Traditional or CGI Animation?
Post by: Death Blossom on 2016-02-08 18:14:13
Oh boy. Let's hope it's not a failure like his most recent works.
Don't get me wrong I LOVE his past works. They were stellar. But some of his newer stuff started to really suck.

And traditional animation still exists, Gravity Falls, Steven Universe, and Bob's Burgers are hand drawn and not CGI.
Title: Re: Traditional or CGI Animation?
Post by: Blurr on 2016-02-08 19:27:55
Yus. I didnt really get into bobs burgers tho
Title: Traditional or CGI Animation?
Post by: NostradamusTheSeer on 2016-02-08 20:36:39
My mom says the characters all look like feet.

Archer is also hand-drawn, and one episode  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFobb7n7AzE)has an appearance by the Belcher family (the guy who plays Bob is also the voice of Sterling Archer).  It's impressive, although somehow vaguely disturbing, to see them in a far more realistic style.
Title: Re: Traditional or CGI Animation?
Post by: Death Blossom on 2016-02-08 22:26:23
It so was O_o

And really, Blurr? It's a good show. Pretty funny at times. You do have to get used to their designs though, they're a bit off putting at first.
Title: Re: Traditional or CGI Animation?
Post by: Blurr on 2016-02-08 23:10:20
I watched the first few episodes but it just didn't really click with me
Title: Re: Traditional or CGI Animation?
Post by: Death Blossom on 2016-02-09 00:21:39
Really? Bummer.
Title: Re: Traditional or CGI Animation?
Post by: Blurr on 2016-02-09 00:36:11
Oh well. at least I gave it a shot. Like with ketchup
Title: Re: Traditional or CGI Animation?
Post by: Death Blossom on 2016-02-09 15:56:15
At least. It's better than not trying it at all and saying you hate it.
Title: Re: Traditional or CGI Animation?
Post by: Blurr on 2016-02-09 15:59:15
Indeed.
Title: Re: Traditional or CGI Animation?
Post by: Death Blossom on 2016-02-09 16:00:57
Good on you for tying. Wish more people would do that.
Title: Re: Traditional or CGI Animation?
Post by: Blurr on 2016-02-09 16:17:57
Sometimes the mere look of something can turn a person off to it
Title: Re: Traditional or CGI Animation?
Post by: Death Blossom on 2016-02-09 16:31:59
I admit the style is a bit weird for Bob's Burgers. Them and their penis noses.
Title: Re: Traditional or CGI Animation?
Post by: Blurr on 2016-02-09 16:39:16
hehe. phallic
Title: Re: Traditional or CGI Animation?
Post by: Death Blossom on 2016-02-09 16:48:42
They were originally going to be longer lol
Title: Re: Traditional or CGI Animation?
Post by: Blurr on 2016-02-09 22:00:42
I can imagine it now and I am laughing
Title: Re: Traditional or CGI Animation?
Post by: Death Blossom on 2016-02-09 22:06:13
The main dude behind it even called them penis noses XD
Title: Re: Traditional or CGI Animation?
Post by: Blurr on 2016-02-09 22:07:27
Oh thats too funny
Title: Re: Traditional or CGI Animation?
Post by: Death Blossom on 2016-02-09 22:18:50
Self awareness.
In the brony episode they even made fun of their noses.
Title: Re: Traditional or CGI Animation?
Post by: Blurr on 2016-02-09 22:20:10
PFFFFFFFT. being self aware in shows can either be bad or good. Depends on the delivery
Title: Re: Traditional or CGI Animation?
Post by: Death Blossom on 2016-02-09 22:31:23
True.

Though I was talking about the creator being self aware about the style
Title: Re: Traditional or CGI Animation?
Post by: Blurr on 2016-02-09 22:32:44
I just noticed no one has voited for CGI at all
Title: Re: Traditional or CGI Animation?
Post by: Death Blossom on 2016-02-09 22:41:07
I thought I had...
Title: Re: Traditional or CGI Animation?
Post by: Blurr on 2016-02-09 22:42:52
there it is
Title: Re: Traditional or CGI Animation?
Post by: Death Blossom on 2016-02-09 22:45:24
"Thar he is!"
Title: Re: Traditional or CGI Animation?
Post by: MasterXtreme on 2016-02-14 11:44:09
Hand drawn, hands down. ;) 
Title: Re: Traditional or CGI Animation?
Post by: Blurr on 2016-02-14 14:41:05
This guy^^
Title: Re: Traditional or CGI Animation?
Post by: Death Blossom on 2016-02-14 14:48:36
Hue.
Title: Re: Traditional or CGI Animation?
Post by: Darrin on 2016-03-06 12:22:52
I remember that short period of time when live action films had cartoon characters animated in them.  There were some cult classics.  I know Disney did a famous one, then there was also, "Who Framed Roger Rabbit."  A sequel to that is in the works.

Then there have been many live action and CGI character films, but not a single one got good reviews. ;) 
Title: Re: Traditional or CGI Animation?
Post by: yasl on 2016-03-06 14:22:42
I have no strong opinion, in general!  A really gorgeous piece of traditional animation often "feels" better than top-notch CGI to me, and cheap CGI comes across /way worse/ than cheap traditional.  But I'm mostly comfortable with the rise of CGI as the dominant medium for western "A-list" animated movies, though I understand it's a phenomenon that's caused heartache for many.

Not such a fan of the cheap CGI crud that seems to be filling in the low-end kids TV market, but I guess I wasn't likely to watch those shows anyway.
Title: Re: Traditional or CGI Animation?
Post by: Ari-Dynamic on 2016-03-15 15:34:20
Did you hear that Don Bluth is gonna make a Dragon's Lair movie? Full classic 2d animation?

I hope it's good. :3 It better be!

...though Rock-a-Doodle II: All Furried Up's not a bad idea. :B har har har
Title: Re: Traditional or CGI Animation?
Post by: Silverwing on 2016-03-15 16:16:37
Did you hear that Don Bluth is gonna make a Dragon's Lair movie? Full classic 2d animation?

I hope it's good. :3 It better be!

WAIT?  WHAT?  Where is a source for this awesome news?

EDIT: Here is some info, but not good info.

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/dragon-s-lair-returns#/
Title: Re: Traditional or CGI Animation?
Post by: Ari-Dynamic on 2016-03-19 14:27:12
Funny how the recent news is that they're also trying to remake 'The Black Cauldron', which he worked on. It's an underrated classic, but I guess a reboot might be okay.

They better not screw up Secret of NIMH, though. The sequel that's already out there is horrific, lol.
Title: Re: Traditional or CGI Animation?
Post by: MasterXtreme on 2016-03-19 15:45:06
I really hope they don't screw up these classics either.

I am all for them making a traditionally animated film.  I am worried they will say they don't have enough money and wimp out and do CGI.  Though at the same time, I feel Bluth wouldn't do that. 
Title: Re: Traditional or CGI Animation?
Post by: Death Blossom on 2016-03-20 20:15:03
A remake of the Black Cauldron? I thought critics said the movie sucked donkey balls.
Title: Re: Traditional or CGI Animation?
Post by: Ari-Dynamic on 2016-03-20 23:53:54
I thought it was alright, to be honest. xD Even if Disney kinda skipped parts from the book, which I never read, it was definitely a nice change of the usual Disney fluff. I like stuff like that-- animation that veers off from the usual sing-along and dance fancy. :>
Title: Re: Traditional or CGI Animation?
Post by: Death Blossom on 2016-03-21 08:33:07
I watched it when I was a small kid, I liked it. I'm just saying, would it really be a lucrative move for Disney to remake one of their movies that wasn't that well received.
Title: Re: Traditional or CGI Animation?
Post by: Silverwing on 2017-09-08 22:55:48
This is why we need more traditional animation.  Look at this!  THIS is amazing.


Yes, you can use CGI to enhance things, but this is still hand drawn awesomeness. 
Title: Re: Traditional or CGI Animation?
Post by: Silverwing on 2017-09-09 23:02:55
Some more evidence of hand drawn animation and how it rocks.  When watching this, realize it was all done by one guy for four years on the weekends in his "spare" time.  It's insane.

Title: Re: Traditional or CGI Animation?
Post by: Smiles2us on 2017-11-14 12:44:34
I am not sure the MLP movie made waves like people were hoping in the traditional animation world but it sure was refreshing to not see another rubbery CGI cartoon. The fact they even made it traditionally was lovely and exciting. They did it with a low budget too, which shows you can successfully make a traditional animated film much cheaper then they used too.
Title: Re: Traditional or CGI Animation?
Post by: Anyponedrawn on 2018-05-30 17:22:44
Let me add this for a win on 2D animation!

Title: Re: Traditional or CGI Animation?
Post by: MasterXtreme on 2018-06-06 14:41:21
Wonderful. 
Title: Re: Traditional or CGI Animation?
Post by: MasterXtreme on 2018-06-10 22:10:43
Lets throw another hand drawn piece in their by a non-big animation studio!  You'll like it!

Title: Re: Traditional or CGI Animation?
Post by: Soda on 2020-01-24 18:37:51
Hand drawn just has so much emotion in it.
Title: Re: Traditional or CGI Animation?
Post by: Ynona on 2020-01-30 17:08:53
I'm gonna sound super boring with this opinion but... I think both CGI and traditional hand drawn animation have their own strength and weaknesses.

Hand drawn animation, while super expressive and on the right hands it can achieve anything, it's super restrictive due to technical limitations and expansive.
On the other hand, CGI can go where traditional animation can't without having to spend who knows how much money of budget and it's even capable to surpass traditional animation if done right.
Title: Re: Traditional or CGI Animation?
Post by: Anyponedrawn on 2020-01-31 13:57:34
Combine the forces of hand drawn and CGI together you can see fascinating things made.  Done wrong, you can have horrible and janky.