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Title: MLP:FiM - "Sweet and Smoky"
Post by: Anyponedrawn on 2019-05-25 12:52:32
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My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic - "Frenemies"

"Sweet and Smoky" is the 9th episode of season 9 and the 205th episode overall.  It is written by Kim Beyer-Johnson and will release on May 25th, 2019. 

SYNOPSIS: Fluttershy and Spike head off to the Dragonlands to solace Smolder's brother.
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Post by: FoxTail on 2019-05-25 13:22:23
LOL!  That image.  What the heck, APD?  Lol!
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Post by: Rainberry on 2019-05-25 13:40:40
Lol!  Funny start!
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:37:35
Going for it.
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:37:52
Smolder is leading the episode.
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:37:59
Wow, Smolder has a brother?
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:38:16
Wants to skip school?
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:38:41
Looks like we got a
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Fluttershy, Spike, and Smolder
episode.  Didn't ever see that coming.
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:38:54
Off to the Dragonlands.
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:39:17
I wanna know what her brother looks like.  It seems strange this is a sensitive dragon.
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:39:29
Smolder likes the smell of sulfur.
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:39:41
And Smolder just leaves them in the middle of nowhere.
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:39:48
Spike would be killed if he lived here.
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:40:03
I like how Fluttershy can fly, but she still follows the path.
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:40:13
Fluttershy found some baby dragon eggs!
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:40:19
Ember is here! 
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:40:46
Heh, Ember, are these eggs all yours?
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:41:03
Burn or be burned.
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:41:24
Maybe you got to show the eggs love?  Heh, naw.  Probably not in the Dragonlands.
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:41:33
I hope this dude isn't Smolder's bro.
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:41:50
These guys are jerks to lil' Spike.
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:42:00
It is a baby blanket... comfort blanket.
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:42:23
Spike don't fall for this.  Just let em' be stupid.
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:42:34
That one dragon has a huge jaw.
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:42:45
Wow, did I call it?  It is Smolder's bro... right?
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:42:56
Garbel is her bro!!! HA!
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:43:05
He's so sensitive, lol!
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:43:30
Bullying episode, kinda.
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:43:40
He wants to "try" her later guys. ;)
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:43:52
Spike's going to be the beating boy this episode.
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:45:10
Did not think would be hanging out with him. 
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:45:22
Those dragon friends are honestly really ugly designs.
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:45:28
GAR GAR!! LOL!
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:45:35
Spikey Wikey!  Lol!
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:45:44
Gar Gar.  I like that, lol.
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:46:06
He's sweet?  Really?  He's squishy inside, Smolder?
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:46:14
You got this Spike.
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:46:22
Lava jumping... oh geez.
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:46:32
Can Spike even go in lava?
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:46:42
BELLY FLOP.
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:46:53
SNEEZE.
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:47:02
Lava up your nose.
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:47:18
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Spike sneeze, too bad Smolder didn't sneeze
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:47:24
Back to Fluttershy.
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:47:43
Lol, I thought it was cute how Flutters was going coochee coochee coo.
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:47:55
Maybe the eggs need... lava?  I don't know.
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:48:10
Spike can fly pretty good now.
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:48:20
Spike had a cloud diaper on, lol.
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:48:33
Smolder's kinda totally thicc.... just saying.
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:48:52
Don't call him Gar Gar Spike.
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:49:08
Lava surfing seems fun and dangerous.
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:50:08
Getting shot by lava balls.
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:50:14
Fluttershy is going to speak up.
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:50:41
Gargle's gonna have to step up to stay cool amongst his friends.
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:50:57
If the lava would have it Fluttershy though, that would have been bad.
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:51:08
Fluttershy's going MURDER THEM with kindness.
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:51:15
Ember cannot do that well.
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:51:48
I knew the eggs needed lava!
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:52:00
I am pretty much a certified dragon expert it appears.
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:52:11
Wow, Gar Gar does poetry?  Lol!
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:52:32
Those idiots are taking all the lava that could be used for the eggs.
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:52:46
You guys are in trouble.
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:53:07
Ember was thicc from that angle...
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:53:18
Those dragon pals are so weird looking.
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:53:47
Dragons are going to have to come together.
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:53:56
Fluttershy is doing some kindness stuff now.
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:54:08
Wow, she does poetry?  I guess I should have guessed.
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:54:24
Beat poets are cool Gar Gar.
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:54:43
Don't hind it inside dude. 
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:54:51
Your true friends would think it's cool.
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:55:11
Spike is somewhat strong in diff ways.
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:55:25
Flutter is standing her ground.
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:55:42
"For a pony without a horn, she sure has a point."  - Smolder.
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:55:49
They should do the fire laugh. 
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:55:55
It's probably a hotter fire.
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:56:04
I bet I was right again.
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:56:16
That is because I am a dragon expert of course.
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:56:27
Wow, he's going to use his poetry to make others... laugh?
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:56:47
YES, FIRE LAUGH!  BURN THOSE EGGS!
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:57:04
Sort of looks like their spitting up fire, lol.
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:57:14
An egg is hatching!!!
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:57:22
Does Spike not laugh fire?
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:57:40
Welcome to hell little dragons!  They are born in fire!
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:57:55
YES, THE HERO RIGHTS POETRY.
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:58:08
Gar Gar got the goods.
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:58:29
There we go, good happy ending.
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-26 11:59:26
So yeah, it was a decent episode.  Nothing spectacular to be honest.  It was, a little better than average.  I don't have a personal connection with Smolder's brother Gargle or whatever his name is, nor do I like most of the dragon designs.

It was just a HALF BAKED episode.

6/10.

At least we got a sneeze.  It seems like whenever the Dragonlands or a dragon is involved, we get a sneeze in this show.  Smolder sneezes due to dragon sneeze flowers, Spike sneezes due to lava, or Ember sneezing when she came to Equestria due to flowers.  Dragons sneeze a lot.  We even had Rarity sneeze in the Dragonlands. 
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Post by: Wolfwood on 2019-05-26 18:39:11
So I know we got a sneeze in this episode.  That's about all I know.  Hope it's a female character.
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Post by: MasterXtreme on 2019-05-26 20:44:53
Oh boy.... we got a stinker of an episode, and it isn't the sulfur smell of the dragon lands I am talking about.
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First of all, this episode's writer went out of their way to make Spike ultra-sensitive.  He never stood up for himself and was a complete push-over.  The bully guy NEVER got in trouble for any of their actions and Spike never got an apology or did absolutely anything for himself.  Fluttershy had to stand up for him and even with that, nothing really happened because of it.  It was all pure happenstance that what happened worked.  Even more purplexing is when Garble finally revealed his secret to everyone, his worst fear came true, everyone made fun of him and laughed at him... yet for some reason it became okay just to end a story in time?  No.  Lazy.

This episode was poorly written and it shows this is probably a new writer for the show with little experience and no experience with who the characters actually are. 

So Spike is weak and spineless in this episode and even though everyone defends him, he never stands up or shows why he is strong.  I think the writer tried to show that strength isn't just physical power, but also mentally... thought they failed.  It wasn't apparent and all the characters were pretty lame. Smolder and Ember were nothing more than plot devices to keep things going.

The joke about Garble being a poet wasn't even a joke.  It was lazy, overly cliche, and done way too many times.


It was a pretty useless episode.   I wouldn't even call it entertaining. 2/10.
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Post by: Rainberry on 2019-05-27 16:58:48
It wasn't that great of an episode.  I didn't even really enjoy it that much as I found the dragon goons to be obnoxious and their designs ugly.  I've never liked Garble and still don't.
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I kinda saw that he was going to be the bro to Smolder coming from a mile away too
.  It wasn't that good overall.  The ending was just stupid.

4/10.
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Post by: Soda on 2019-05-27 17:04:45
Oh no!  Looks like we got our first BAD episode the season. Those are some tough reviews guys.
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Post by: RainySunshine on 2019-05-27 22:27:51
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Fluttershy's dressing down of Garble was fantastic and well written, but outside of that, this episode lacked.  Garble's redemption is completely at odds with what we'd seen of him before, as an irredeemable jerkwad. Spike just kept getting bullied and picked on without ever contributing anything.  Garble just got praised as a hero at the end when virtually learning nothing and everyone laughed at what he liked... so... huh?  All of a sudden everyone wants to learn poetry now?  You see, the thing about Garble's reformation that bothers me is that he did all of these jerkish things out of his own free will.  Then he got rewarded for it. There really are a lot of inconsistencies in this episode as well such as dragon's now being able to laugh fire... okay... Fluttershy also didn't seem too worried about a molten lava ball right next to here and how it physically could have killed her second before.

Not to pick on the writer, but Kim Beyer-Johnson hasn't had a good episode yet in this series.

4/10.
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Post by: RainySunshine on 2019-05-27 22:29:21
I'm curious, do we have anyone who liked this episode and can state why? :)
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Post by: Rainberry on 2019-05-27 22:35:19
"In a way it's kinda messed up that its the dragons' making fun of Garble that saved the eggs but then they are immediately chastised for making fun of Garble." - We Are Borg

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Well let me bring up a few positive screen caps at least.

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As it stands right now, this episode it rating very lowly with an average score of only 4/10.  Ouch.
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Post by: RainySunshine on 2019-05-27 23:26:27
Let me add.

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Post by: Kiwi on 2019-05-28 09:58:17
I'm going to watch it today hopefully.
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Post by: Silverwing on 2019-05-28 10:07:17
Aw crap, another Spike sneeze.  They make him sneeze so much.  Why couldn't it have been Smolder or Ember?  Just another reason to mark down this episode.  ;)  It wasn't that good of an episode but I wouldn't call it HORRIBLE.  It was just run of the mill with not much thought put into it.

5/10.
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Post by: LovesSneezingApparently on 2019-05-28 16:06:17
Fluttershy, I love ya gurl. I really, really do. But maybe cool it with the baby voice a little?! Just a friendly suggestion.
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Post by: MasterXtreme on 2019-05-28 16:57:26
Quote from: Rainberry on 2019-05-27 22:35:19
As it stands right now, this episode it rating very lowly with an average score of only 4/10.  Ouch.

I'm sure we can get it lower.  Just you wait. :D
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Post by: Darrin on 2019-05-28 18:53:10
Let me not help.  I didn't think it was as bad an episode as you all thought.  It certainly wasn't great but it wasn't below a 5.  I would give it a 6/10.
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Post by: Rainberry on 2019-05-28 20:39:48
Lets look at some of the... less than stellar dragon designs from this episode.

What is this?  A box dragon?

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Look how disturbing some of these are.

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What is that orange thing?

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This dude, Gargle is too stiff looking to me.

(https://derpicdn.net/img/view/2019/5/27/2051127.png)

What the?

(https://derpicdn.net/img/2019/5/27/2050849/large.png)

Spike throwing up...

(https://derpicdn.net/img/view/2019/5/27/2050632.png)

Gosh...

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What the heck are these things?

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Title: Re: MLP:FiM - "Sweet and Smoky"
Post by: Rainberry on 2019-05-30 15:43:53
I agree, those are some really ugly dragon designs. ;D  I had mentioned that in my commentary.  lol.
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Post by: 1234 on 2019-05-31 15:31:20
I didn't think it was catastrophic. Just a decent episode to watch. I personally kinda enjoyed it.
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Post by: Silverwing on 2019-05-31 15:33:17
Quote from: 1234 on 2019-05-31 15:31:20
I didn't think it was catastrophic. Just a decent episode to watch. I personally kinda enjoyed it.

What made it decent?  I'm not attacking you for your preference, but I wan to know what made it okay.  You're the first to say so, so now I am curious.
Title: Re: MLP:FiM - "Sweet and Smoky"
Post by: 1234 on 2019-05-31 15:38:03
I dunno. I just... found it decent. It's not something I can explain. :{

All I can say is, people will watch an episode and think of it whatever they will. And for some reason, I thought this one was decent. Sorry, I was never able to explain that kinda stuff. :-\
Title: Re: MLP:FiM - "Sweet and Smoky"
Post by: RainySunshine on 2019-05-31 18:10:19
Fair enough.  Thanks.  Glad you enjoyed it.
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Post by: MasterXtreme on 2019-06-02 14:26:05
I do think those are some very lazy dragon designs.
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Post by: Kiwi on 2019-06-20 15:42:01
Just a very average if not below average episode.  The effort may have been there, but it became forced.

5/10.