PSF
News: Send An Application To Become A Site Moderator.  Message Darrin or Smiles2us.
 
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
PSF  >  The Lounge  >  Television & Film Discussion  >  Topic: Nostalgia also had Bad Shows 0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic. « previous next »
Pages: [1] 2 > Go Down Print
Author Topic: Nostalgia also had Bad Shows  (Read 2875 times)
DEEcat98
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 940


PSF Member


Email
« on: 2021-05-01 23:44:20 »

So is anyone aware that there are people who say that modern tv shows are bad while the more nostalgic ones are much better? Well to burst these people's bubbles, the 80's, 90's, early 2000's, and much before also had bad shows as well.
Logged
Darrin
Administrator
******
Offline Offline

Posts: 6669



Email
« Reply #1 on: 2021-05-02 00:12:32 »

Totally, I'd say a majority of cartoons from the 70s and 80s I didn't like.  Heck, I didn't like many in the 90s either.
Logged

:):):):):):):):):):)>>> "Green is the New You" -PSF <<<:):):):):):):(:):):)
timmelon
SCM Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 4347



Email
« Reply #2 on: 2021-05-02 01:16:03 »

Well, I can agree that 70’s were not so great in Western animation (TVTropes even calls it a Dark Age). Some shows from 90-00’s hurt my eyes with crudely drawn characters (after them, FiM apparently attracted a lot of people by a cast full of eye candies ^-^), and Dark Age series did the same by their limited animations ;D.
Logged
MasterXtreme
Legendary Member
*******
Offline Offline

Posts: 104023


PSF Member


Email
« Reply #3 on: 2021-05-02 15:47:49 »

Yeah, there were many "bad" shows in terms of quality.  Even writing was very poor, especially in the Hanna Barbera stable of cartoons.  Talk about low effort, and awful animation that was reused all the time.  Even ideas and show premises were the same...

If they at least put some writing effort, the others could be forgiven.

A lot of not-so good action cartoons in the 80s as well.

I would say the 90's had a lot of "overly animated" and ugly cartoons.  I would argue the Classy Ksupo cartoons while very ugly looking, at least had good writing for the most part.
Logged
DEEcat98
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 940


PSF Member


Email
« Reply #4 on: 2021-05-03 16:11:42 »

Also, I guess children shows from the 90’s and early 2000’s that were hated by teenagers and young adults would also count as bad nostalgic shows, right?
« Last Edit: 2021-05-03 20:56:58 by DEEcat98 » Logged
MasterXtreme
Legendary Member
*******
Offline Offline

Posts: 104023


PSF Member


Email
« Reply #5 on: 2021-05-03 17:17:51 »

Well if they are nostalgic to you, then yes.

Logged
DEEcat98
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 940


PSF Member


Email
« Reply #6 on: 2021-05-03 17:49:14 »

There are people that do consider 90’s and early 2000’s children shows to be nostalgic, so I guess it can count.
Logged
RainySunshine
SCM Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 101358


There is a 100% chance of Sunshine ahead for You.


WWW Email
« Reply #7 on: 2021-05-03 18:38:02 »

Of course.  Nostalgia will change by age group and person. 

I can think of many bad shows in the 90s and 2000s.  TONS.
Logged
DEEcat98
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 940


PSF Member


Email
« Reply #8 on: 2021-05-03 20:54:11 »

Many people pointed out at how the 2000’s had bad shows, but then they considered that the 2000’s got worst for television by the middle to end of the decade. Then when the 2010’s came with Adventure Time, Regular Show, and My Little Pony, people were starting to slowly go back into watching tv shows again. Speaking of which during that time, MLP was being the only children’s show that was being appreciated by teenagers and young adults.
« Last Edit: 2021-05-03 20:55:28 by DEEcat98 » Logged
Silverwing
SCM Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 106617


PSF Member


WWW Email
« Reply #9 on: 2021-05-03 21:18:59 »

Yeah, the 2000s were bad for children's shows overall.  There were some good shows, but mixed in with a lot of not good and mediocre.  Shows like Chowder and Flapjack came out in a time when many other were not good, but from those two shows came the talent of many writers who brought in good shows in the next decade.

Pre-skool children's television jumped off a cliff after the late 2000s and into the 2010s.  We are still in that garbage realm with those.
Logged
Soda
Legendary Member
*******
Offline Offline

Posts: 44333


PSF Member


Email
« Reply #10 on: 2021-05-04 22:23:39 »

Just like children now will look back on all the kids shows they watched on Youtube and think of how bad they are.
« Last Edit: 2021-05-04 22:23:56 by Soda » Logged
Graymist
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 1767


PSF Member


WWW Email
« Reply #11 on: 2021-05-30 17:21:45 »

Nostalgia isn't how you describe it in the title or description.  I think you might be a tad confused about what nostalgia is.

Nostalgia is a feeling.  Nostalgia is a feeling of remembrance to something from your past.  That itself can be a good or bad memory, but it is something that harkens the past.

Nostalgia is sitting in a theater and looking down at the floor and it's silly carpeted design, holding a box of popcorn, and remembering the adverts before the movie you are so excited to watch.  All the smells of a theater and the hushed whispering from the audience as the film begins.

Logged
NostradamusTheSeer
Prolific Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 3866


Skillfully controls the flow of Miss Information


WWW Email
« Reply #12 on: 2021-07-04 17:57:25 »

   To go back even further, some cartoons from way back in the thirties and forties, frankly, stink.  I mean, Charles M. "Chuck" Jones-- unmitigated genius of animation, no denying.  The same year he made the inspired "Dover Boys", 1942, he also farted out "The Bird Came C.O.D".  Ol' Chuck himself went on record as saying if he had his druthers, he'd have burned every film he did before 1948 and piss on the ashes. (Okay, I added the "piss on the ashes", part, but it sounds like a sentiment Chuck Jones would echo.)   

   And Disney, woo-hoo, don't get me started on them.  Sure, you have your A-listers like Mickey and Goofy and Donald and Jiminy frigging Cricket, but then you get some downright weird stuff like this.
I did a whole thing in my blog about this one.  I'm like, "What... the... hell? Is this literally food porn?"  :-0
 The story goes that Walt Disney once complained to his staff about the quality of the studio's output, so they challenged him to direct a picture himself. (sings)   It was such a turd that he was all  "Not one word",  :-X   and never tried his hand at directing agaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaain!...    :{

   Perhaps, next post, I should look at Columbia and Terrytoons.  I find a lot of people are sharply divided on their output--it's either pretty good, or really, really bad.  :o    :-]    >:(

Logged

Rainberry
Legendary Member
*******
Offline Offline

Posts: 41178


PSF Member


Email
« Reply #13 on: 2021-07-04 20:39:59 »

That was rather interesting to read... and why did Disney make that scene?  My word. 

I guess boys will be boys?  Nothing wrong... it's just... well... yeah.
Logged

NostradamusTheSeer
Prolific Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 3866


Skillfully controls the flow of Miss Information


WWW Email
« Reply #14 on: 2021-07-10 12:59:03 »

Ironically, one of Disney's top animators was named-- you ready for this? -- Dick Huemer.  With a moniker like that, the guy was born to make cartoons.    :D

Yes, a lot of the early animators like Paul Terry and Amadeen J. Van Beuren (another great name for cartoonin') were heavily influenced by Walt Disney... so much so, in fact, he actually threatened to sue the crap out of the latter for turning in characters that were pretty much carbon copies of Mickey Mouse--sans the charm, of course--though in the end it was all a lot of bluster (maybe because it's so hard to make a plajo accusation stick; maybe it's because these were young studios trying to find their way).  Warner Bros., too, played follow-the-leader in its early years, with characters like Piggy, Foxy and Roxy and Goopy Gear, but about 1938 or so Bob Clampett, Fred "Tex" Avery started getting away from that stuff (Chuck Jones took a bit longer, but he eventually got there, though before he found his own two feet to stand on, he played it sort of safe by aping ol' Tex's style for a few more years).  Van Beuren, stodgy and resistant to change, stayed with the cutesy-poo crap like this, and, coupled with his own failing health, it's probably the reason his studio didn't last long.  It closed down in '36.   

I think you'll find the history of most every major cartoon studio follows about the same--a rough start (esp. those in the '20s and '30's) with forgettable characters and a lot of misfires early on, followed by a creative boom in the forties (the war was mother's milk to a lot of these young houses), with lots of turnover, shakeups, hirings, firings, and migration between studios (smartest thing Columbia ever did was hire a lot of ex-Disney animators after a huge strike in 1941; it was this period they made some of their best...and of course, some of their worst, ranging from the simply forgettable to the utterly derivative to the downright fecund). The fifties saw trends like the rise (and fall) of 3-D films and the newfound popularity of television, which meant fewer shorts distributed in movie theaters. This led to lower revenue, studio foldings, more turnovers and migration, but also meant a virtually untapped new market for an enterprising thinker.  This heralded the the rise of pioneers in limited animation--UPA , latter-day MGM, Hanna-Barbera, later, going into the sixties and seventies, De-Patie-Freleng and Filmation--which get us to my generation.

We had the good and the bad of  it--shows featuring quirky characters and largely experimental writing (the names "Bob" and "Eve Forward" turn up on a lot of these shows--again, it's like their parents wanted these kids to go into the cartoon biz from the day they popped out) , but characterized by low budgets, flat animation, recycled scripts, two-dimensional characterization, and shows that read like 22-minute toy commercials. Sure, there were a few standouts, but a lot of passable and very forgettable stuff you didn't see for years, until, through a series of trades, deals, and handshakes, someone bought these now-defunct studios' old libraries and showed them on networks like qubo and MeTv somewhere between 4 a.m. infomercials and reruns of Lassie and Westerns.

And when I say "forgettable", I mean forgettable.  I mean, until it was mentioned in the DuckTales reboot, I hadn't thought of Disney's Gummi Bears in years.  Now I want to go hunt up Dumbo's Circus and the "hand-clappin' " number... or maybe Milli Vanilli's appearance in the Mario Bros. cartoon, aired just weeks before that whole scandal killed their career.
« Last Edit: 2021-07-10 13:03:53 by NostradamusTheSeer » Logged

Pages: [1] 2 > Go Up Print 
PSF  >  The Lounge  >  Television & Film Discussion  >  Topic: Nostalgia also had Bad Shows « previous next »
Jump to:  


Login with username, password and session length

SMF 2.0.17 | SMF © 2019, Simple Machines | PSF © 2014-2024