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The Lounge => Television & Film Discussion => Topic started by: DEEcat98 on 2022-08-04 08:10:37
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Do any of you think movies should get darker sequels and shows should later become darker so that they could focus more on character development, world building, resolving and answering questions, character expansion, and backstories?
There are some out there who did it, but I’m wondering if any of you think that majority of the movie franchises and shows should later become darker?
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You've been asking a lot of very similar questions the past few weeks. I'm not sure if you just had some grand eye-opening moment or not, lol.
If a show warrants darker content then sure. If not, then no.
And to answer the specific question you asked, "if the majority should be darker" I say no. Most content already isn't dark content.
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The main reason why I have been asking these similar questions is because of how there are movies and shows who don’t resolve characters’ story or don’t answer questions.
I mean, doesn’t every movie and show need resolving and/or answers?
Most movie and shows that have later done lore are usually the ones to resolve characters’ stories and answer questions by showing what happens.
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Seems these are just ongoing, revolving questions that morph into whatever you think of next. I'd probably just make a single topic so you can ask all your questions.
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Well don’t any of you think a movie or show should get a continuation just to focus on lore?
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Not really. At least not off the top of my head.
I am sure there are some out there, but I couldn't think of anything right now. You can't just force lore into something that didn't have it.
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But do you think movie franchises and shows should later focus on lore if they are hinting character development by showing the characters' mistreated, misunderstood, and sympathy sides and/or hinting world building by showing the main characters entering a different location yet not much of behind it gets explained?
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I can't keep answering the same same answer any differently. lol.
No.
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I’ve been asking these similar questions because is anyone aware that sometimes movies and shows should answer every question and resolve every character’s story before ending for good?
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I would love that, but sometimes it can't be done naturally or without being forced. Sometimes shows just get cancelled unexpectedly and they can't carry on. It's all variable.
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Isn't this new "grim and gritty" rage what's getting the DCAU in trouble? And who ever thought they'd see such a thing with Archie, perhaps the most family-friendly of all comic-book series? :o
Although I must admit I've been kicking around an idea for a joke about a darker, edgier version of Inspector Gadget. [a la Don Adams] "Oh, come, now, doctor. That's silly. Ha. Imagine. 'Go, go, Gadget, my ass (https://www.ebaumsworld.com/jokes/voodoo-dick/15160/).'"
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Isn't this new "grim and gritty" rage what's getting the DCAU in trouble? And who ever thought they'd see such a thing with Archie, perhaps the most family-friendly of all comic-book series? :o
Although I must admit I've been kicking around an idea for a joke about a darker, edgier version of Inspector Gadget. [a la Don Adams] "Oh, come, now, doctor. That's silly. Ha. Imagine. 'Go, go, Gadget, my ass (https://www.ebaumsworld.com/jokes/voodoo-dick/15160/).'"
One reason I was asking this is because of how Harvey Girls Forever! was hinting character development, yet the show ended and never later focused on character development when it should have.
One reason why I asked this question is because of how I am regarding to Harvey Girls Forever! (formally called Harvey Street Kids during its first Season). The show ended two year ago, yet with how it lasted for four Seasons, it ended with some unresolved stuff. Why can't the show last longer or at least continue with another series just so that it would start to later focus on character development?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdmsavVUAAAyLWr?format=jpg&name=medium)
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This whole thing is a misunderstanding of the goals of entertainment. Series have plot hooks and "hint at" to give themselves options for future development. Without cliff hangers and open questions there is no budget for series+1. Put another way you are asking scriptwriters to cut their own throats by resolving stories while they are still raking in cash. Not going to happen.
Shows dont end when the story is done, they end when they are no longer financially useful.
Thats just the way life is.
If you are lucky, the team knows their time is up and the put together a half decent ending, but thats the exception not the rule.
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Can’t writers just listen to fans just so that they could get their negative feedbacks to resolve and answer stuff?
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Can’t writers just listen to fans just so that they could get their negative feedbacks to resolve and answer stuff?
In an ideal world, yes. But it just ain't like that. Writers will first and foremost listen to the producers.
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Then why can't producers even care about that audiences want to learn more about any certain side characters and to see some answers get solved and some problems get resolved?
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Dee, this has been answered so many times to you already. It comes down to money. If they are not making money, they have to do what the network tells them to do. If they are lucky, the network will give them time to wrap up the show at the end of a season, otherwise it's just cancelled. Producers do what they are told and what's good for their money, not the viewer.
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I think what you're talking about, my dear, is a Trope called A Day In The Limelight (https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ADayInTheLimeLight)... not, as I surmised, more adult-tooled reboots of a beloved franchise (which they've done with She-Ra, and twice with He-Man, to some acclaim, but there will always be those like myself who greatly prefer the original). I think the mistake Harvey Girls Forever made was, after introducing Richie Rich to their universe, focusing so many episodes on him and making him such an insufferable little pain in the keister. Honestly, I'd rather have seen more of his dog Dollar (I always liked him in the original comics and the eighties cartoon)...but here's the key: I don't whine about it, what, two years after the show's cancellation, constantly. What I'd do is create a suspiciously similar (https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SuspiciouslySimilarSubstitute) copyright-skirting (https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WritingAroundTrademarks) substitute (https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Expy) and pen all the scripts I see fit to starring him. It's what got me through that hellish dry spell after the switch from analog to digital, when I couldn't watch my favorite shows for nearly a decade, and a lot of Belch Dimension scripts started reading like Simpsons, Family Guy, and American Dad fanfic. Got a problem with the comics penned between 2009 (https://scratchpad.fandom.com/wiki/The_Belch_Dimension_Comics#Year_Seven_(2011-12)) and 2017 (https://scratchpad.fandom.com/wiki/The_Belch_Dimension_Comics#Year_Fourteen_(2018-19))? Blame [bleep]in' Obama. ??? ::)
Now: giving a show's minor supporting character his own episode can wind up being very good, or very bad. Are they strong enough, do you feel, to properly carry it? Ever see South Park's Towlie episode (https://terribletvshows.miraheze.org/wiki/A_Million_Little_Fibers_(South_Park))? Yecch. Even the creators themselves have pretty much admitted that thing was a stinker. Butters, however, who got his start as a background extra, soon proved to be so darn likeable he's actually gotten a couple of (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butters%27_Very_Own_Episode) pretty good episodes (http://pretty good episodes) focused on him (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_Sushi).
So, yes, a lot of it is, basically, following the money. Perhaps you missed the point of the episode where Lucretia has a successful podcast, and instead of ending on a high note, attempts to please everybody and keeps her show going way past its prime, eventually alienating her fans and losing all her listeners. That is what you're doing, trying to wheedle the producers, who have all moved on to new things, into coming back to do your pet vanity project. A character-building episode for the Dot/Pinkeye 'shippers, say, may appeal to you, Miss Dee, sure, and writing for your own enjoyment is fine (https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/AuthorAppeal), but do realize a lot of critics are going to lambaste it as either shamelessly pandering to those select few who might like it, or label it some weird kid-friendly allegory for venereal disease. And I frankly don't care to see the sequel to "Raccoon Hoarder Picture Show", "Raccoon Hoarders Stow Their Meals (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rocky_Horror_Picture_Show#Sequel)" (a.k.a. "Schlock Treatment"). Maybe in twelve, 15 years come back to the idea and helm your own reboot, with a whole new creative and voice team attached. Or, if you learn someone else is doing a series based on a Harvey Comics property, hey, just do what John K.'s former frig-bunny did (https://terribletvshows.miraheze.org/wiki/Robyn_Byrd_tries_to_cancel_Ren_and_Stimpy_reboot): throw a fit, accuse the producers of trying to use the show to manipulate and groom a new generation of kids, and demand a total boycott... until they relent and, to shut you up, offer you a seat at the table, whereupon you then seize control of the whole production and become the Supreme DEE-ctator. ;D :nervoussmile: ;)